Re: White Rabbits, WAND gates and WACOs

2001-06-21 Thread George Levy
More on White Rabbits. Here is a thought experiment which attempts to prove the non existence of White Rabbits and of Black Rabbits. Definitions: 1) White Rabbits: phenomena that we cannot understand. Their existence indicates that the set of physical phenomena is larger than the set of ideas 2

Re: Countable vs Continuous

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
Juergen: > I think we may not ignore infinities for quite pragmatic, > non-esoteric reasons. Many believe the history of our own universe > will be infinite - certainly there is no evidence against this > possibility. Also, any finite never-halting program for a virtual > reality corresponds to a

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Marchal
Joel wrote: >What is the mind-body problem? The formulations are as numerous than the philosophical systems. For a materialist the problem is to explain what are the necessary and sufficient conditions for having the feeling of pain in a leg. For an idealist the problem is to explain what are

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread scerir
Bruno Marchal: > 1) The Schmidhuber-Ruhl-Dobrzelewski-... approaches (SRD) > 2) The other approaches, which take into account the fact that we have > not yet solved the mind body problem. Von Weizsaecker said, long time ago, that "Nature is earlier than man. But man is earlier than na

Re: Countable vs Continuous

2001-06-21 Thread Brent Meeker
Well put Juergen. The question arose as to whether our universe could be or continous. Don't the computable numbers form a continuum; hence even restricting the universe to one we can describe would still allow it to be continuous? Brent Meeker On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > T

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
I'm sorry Bruno, I think I'm getting confused by the terminology. What is the mind-body problem? What does "first person" and "third person" mean? Joel

Re: Countable vs Continuous

2001-06-21 Thread juergen
> From: "Joel Dobrzelewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Countable vs Continuous > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:41:13 -0400 > > Juergen: > > There is the rather harmless kind: the countable one. And some say > > there is another kind, a strange one, the one associated with the > > uncountable c

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Marchal
Joel wrote: >What is weird from one perspective is not too weird in another. Some might >thing it's strange, and others might not. I agree. So what I say is that we must explain why the "world" seems to *remain* normal to us. Suppose you have a theory of elementary particles, and that your th

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
Marchal: > The white rabbits we talk about own waistcoat-pockets. This is > supposed to be uncommon in *realities* ... Well that is what we try > to show. Ahhh... I see now. Thank you! > Everything theories (computationalist or not) must explain the > relative rarity of relatively (to here and

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Marchal
Joel wrote (in part): >By the way... I'm curious why we are using the example of "white" >rabbits. White rabbits are quite common in the laboratory. Is that >why we use them as an example? Because they are uncommon in nature? Look at: http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m2636.html The wh

Re: Countable vs Continuous

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
Juergen: > There is the rather harmless kind: the countable one. And some say > there is another kind, a strange one, the one associated with the > uncountable continuum, the one whose very existence many deny. > > Do not lump them together. Yes, I can see how this distinction might be useful in

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
George: > My position, is that there are no separations between worlds. > There is only one single huge world, the plenitude and we live in > it. The plenitude is choke full of white rabbits. In fact most of > it is white rabbit stuff. I very much agree. > The reason we don't see them is t

Re: Introduction (Digital Physics)

2001-06-21 Thread Joel Dobrzelewski
Fred: > Your cellular automaton demos look pretty neat, but how can you > tell if they are conscious or self-aware? Do two of these interact > in a social manner? Well, in the 3D version there must exist (if these automata are indeed minimal) configurations that look just like you and me disc

Countable vs Continuous

2001-06-21 Thread juergen
There has been some confusion regarding the various kinds of infinity. There is the rather harmless kind: the countable one. And some say there is another kind, a strange one, the one associated with the uncountable continuum, the one whose very existence many deny. Do not lump them together. T