Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2009/8/22 Brent Meeker : > >> That's an interesting question and one that I think relates to the >> importance of context. A scan of your brain would capture all the >> information in the Shannon/Boltzman sense, i.e. it would determine which >> of the possible config

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/8/22 Brent Meeker : > That's an interesting question and one that I think relates to the > importance of context.  A scan of your brain would capture all the > information in the Shannon/Boltzman sense, i.e. it would determine which > of the possible configurations and processes were realize

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-22 Thread m.a.
Mirek, I think it must be a very effective method of teaching binary numbers. Perhaps I'll try it on my grandchildren. My four-year-old grandson calls VCR tapes "rectangular DVD's". So he's probably ready for abstract thinking. Thanks for the lesson.

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Aug 2009, at 20:06, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> If the context, or even the whole physical universe, is needed, it is >>> part of the "generalized" brain. Either the "generalized" brain is >>> Turing emulable, and the reversal reas

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2009, at 20:06, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> If the context, or even the whole physical universe, is needed, it is >> part of the "generalized" brain. Either the "generalized" brain is >> Turing emulable, and the reversal reasoning will proceed, or it is

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 21 Aug 2009, at 22:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> Flammarion wrote: >>> Do you think that if you scanned my brain right down to the atomic >>> level, >>> you still wouldn't have captured all the information? >>> >> That's an interesting question and one that I think rel

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-22 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
m.a. wrote: > a towel into the ring. > I simply don't have the sort of mind that takes to juggling letters, > numbers and symbols in increasingly fine-grained, complex arrangements. [...] Marty, If I can ask, I'd be really interested what do you think of this socratic experiment http://www.garl

Re: Emulation and Stuff

2009-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2009, at 22:26, Flammarion wrote: >> >> I understand both your discomfort with arithmetical realism and your >> defence of PM, but this discussion hinges on "CTM +PM = true". >> Couldn't we try to focus on the validity or otherwise of this claim? > > OK. It's invalid because you can't

Re: Emulation and Stuff

2009-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Aug 2009, at 10:28, Flammarion wrote: > 1. Something that ontologically exists can only be caused or generated > by something else that does > 2. I ontologically exist > 3. According to you, I am generated by the UD > 4. Therefore the UD must ontologically exist. > > Step 4 is really step

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Aug 2009, at 22:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Flammarion wrote: >> >> Do you think that if you scanned my brain right down to the atomic >> level, >> you still wouldn't have captured all the information? >> > > That's an interesting question and one that I think relates to the > importance o