Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:11, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, interesting exchange with Stephen. I have a sideline-question: why do you 'refer-to' and repeatedly invoke into your ways of your advanced thinking the NAME (I did not say: concept) of GOD, a noumenon so many times and many

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-22 Thread David Nyman
On 22 February 2010 07:37, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: What do you mean by implicit here? What is implicit is that the subjectivity (1-p), to make sense, has to be referentially correct relatively to the most probable histories/consistent extensions. What I mean by implicit is

RE: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:48:28 -0800 From: jackmal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Jack Mallah wrote: --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be MGA is more

Re: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:48:28 -0800 From: jackmal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Jack Mallah wrote: --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Bruno Marchal

RE: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:42:17 -0800 From: meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10 Jesse Mazer wrote: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:48:28 -0800 From: jackmal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10 To:

RE: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Jack Mallah
Jesse, how do you access the everything list? I ask because I have not recieved my own posts in my inbox, nor have others such as Bruno replied. I use yahoo email. I may need to use a different method to prevent my posts from getting lost. They do seem to show up on Google groups though.

Re: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:42:17 -0800 From: meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10 Jesse Mazer wrote: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:48:28 -0800 From: jackmal...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: problem of size '10

[Fwd: The Brain's Dark Energy Scien amer]

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
As long thought, consciousness is only a small part of what the brain does - maybe even only a small part of "thinking". Brent Original Message The Brain's Dark Energy ( Preview ) Brain regions active when our minds wander may hold a key to understanding neurological

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Charles
On Feb 22, 8:12 pm, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds Certainly

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-22 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, thanks for the 'vocal' approval of my (logical) position. I could not think of more satisfaction. John M On 2/22/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:11, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, interesting exchange with Stephen. I have a sideline-question:

RE: problem of size '10

2010-02-22 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:41:38 -0800 From: jackmal...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: problem of size '10 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Jesse, how do you access the everything list? I ask because I have not recieved my own posts in my inbox, nor have others such as Bruno replied. I

RE: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread rmiller
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:20 PM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds On Feb 22, 8:12 pm, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: From:

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Charles
On Feb 23, 6:08 pm, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: Huw Price suggests that our view of causality is strongly influenced by the way we're embedded / oriented in space-time. He points out in Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point that the laws of physics are almost entirely time-symmetric, with

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-22 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:50 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 February 2010 23:25, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: So we know 1-p directly, while we only infer the existence of 3-p. However, you seem to start from the assumption that 1-p is in the weaker subordinate

RE: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:42:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds From: charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Feb 23, 6:08 pm, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: If we accept what the laws of physics appear to say, that nature is for the

RE: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread rmiller
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:43 PM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds Good point, but among the many fates there is always the

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-22 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:07 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: The only rationale for adducing the additional existence of any 1-p experience in a 3-p world is the raw fact that we

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:50 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 February 2010 23:25, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: So we know 1-p directly, while we only infer the existence of 3-p. However, you seem to start from the assumption that 1-p is in

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Charles
On Feb 23, 7:13 pm, Jesse Mazer laserma...@hotmail.com wrote: Having read the book a while ago, my memory is that Price offered this idea as a conceptual argument for how one *might* explain things using the EPR experiment, but I don't think he ever would have said that this idea makes

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:07 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: The only rationale for adducing the additional existence of any 1-p experience in a 3-p

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Charles
On Feb 23, 7:57 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Retro causation solves the EPR problem (i.e. provides a local explanation of the correlations without hidden variables).  See Vic Stenger's book Timeless Quantum in which he uses this kind of explanation to good effect.  The

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:42:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds From: charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Feb 23, 6:08 pm, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: If we accept what the laws of physics appear to say, that

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Charles wrote: On Feb 23, 7:57 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Retro causation solves the EPR problem (i.e. provides a local explanation of the correlations without hidden variables). See Vic Stenger's book Timeless Quantum in which he uses this kind of explanation to good