Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-26 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2011, at 14:03, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Aren't you restricting your notion of what is explainable of what your own theory labels explainable with its own assumptions? Yes, but this is due to its TOE aspect: it explains what

Re: bruno list

2011-08-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Feeling doesn't come from a substance, it's the first person experience of energy itself. Substance is the third person presentation of energy patterns. If you turn it around so that feeling is observed in third

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 23:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: PART I On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 18,

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2011, at 22:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 22, 1:56 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Aug 2011, at 15:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: My point is that, by definition of philosophical zombie, they behave like normal and sane human being. It is not walking coma, or

Re: bruno list

2011-08-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 26, 9:05 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Feeling doesn't come from a substance, it's the first person experience of energy itself. Substance is the third person presentation of energy

Re: bruno list

2011-08-26 Thread meekerdb
On 8/26/2011 1:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That's the problem. You're interested in the wrong thing. Cells and organsims are not billiard balls. If you treat them as predictable mechanisms, you lose the very dimension that you are trying to emulate. It's not a question of treating them as

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 26, 11:01 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Aug 2011, at 22:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 22, 1:56 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Aug 2011, at 15:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: My point is that, by definition of philosophical zombie, they

Re: bruno list

2011-08-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 26, 4:38 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2011 1:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That's the problem. You're interested in the wrong thing. Cells and organsims are not billiard balls. If you treat them as predictable mechanisms, you lose the very dimension that you are

Re: bruno list

2011-08-26 Thread meekerdb
On 8/26/2011 4:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 26, 4:38 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2011 1:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That's the problem. You're interested in the wrong thing. Cells and organsims are not billiard balls. If you treat them as predictable