Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-27 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > so you do get the point of the difference of the 3-view and the 1-view, > Truer words were never spoken. If 2 different consciousnesses can not be distinguished in my symmetrical room from the first person point of view or from the third person point

Re: For Evgenii: the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed

2012-03-27 Thread meekerdb
On 3/27/2012 11:26 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Brent, I have nothing against of fundamental science and I do not expect practical application for this paper. Yet, I do not see fundamental results. What is in the paper is just a change of vocabulary. I would say that we are free to choose a def

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-27 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 3/23/2012 3:44 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 3/21/2012 8:16 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen P. King >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: Determinism in the case of bifurcations and symmetry breaking

2012-03-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Stephen, "Nature computes itself by evolving in time" Let me put then my question this way. When Nature computes itself does the next state is uniquely determined the previous steps? Or, to make the next state, does Nature play a dice? I would appreciate if you explain how bifurcations and s

Re: For Evgenii: the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed

2012-03-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Brent, I have nothing against of fundamental science and I do not expect practical application for this paper. Yet, I do not see fundamental results. What is in the paper is just a change of vocabulary. I would say that we are free to choose a definition. Well, right now when free will is un

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Mar 2012, at 06:14, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Give me a example of 2 conscious beings that are identical by what you call "3-view" but NOT identical by what you call "1-view", show they deserve different names, do that and I might