Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014, at 9:58 am, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:12:56AM +1200, LizR wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. It is however fascinating that we're so fascinated by this idea. From I married a monster from outer space via Mr Spock to Mars needs women!. I agree with Liz. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no feeling for just how ginormous the number 4^1 billion is. That is the size of the solution space using Terrestrial DNA (4 base pairs, around a billion base pairs makes up human DNA). For comparison, the number of protons in the visible universe is a mere 4^132 or so. Cheers -- Yes, but what if we are already the product of alien genetic tinkering? That would certainly reduce the odds. The leap from homo erectus to homo sapiens remains unresolved in the fossil record. I don't think you can just wipe the floor with the ancient aliens hypothesis just yet. Some evidence is halfway convincing. The interesting assumption we appear to be making here is that humans are solely the product of evolution. If we aren't, and we are a somewhat tricked-up genetic experiment by ETs then it's less likely that your average grey alien with almond-shaped eyes looks similar to us as we do to them. Are you going to dismiss every single alien abduction claim? When Whitley Streiber got the anal probe after being levitated on board a flying saucer in the middle of the night he was pronounced as having undergone a rape by his doctor. OK - have a good giggle a la The Simpsons and South Park but the guy was diagnosed with PTSD as have been many so-called abductees. Explain away the persistent cattle mutilations. Explain away the implants in people that have been surgically removed and shown to be made of unfamiliar materials. What if human history was already linked to the history of other races in the galaxy? To say that things are the way Evolution has arranged them to be is a bit glib. It's a bit like saying it's the way it is because the Bible says so. Evolution is of course real - only a complete nutter would dispute it - nevertheless, the processes of Evolution can be tinkered with and even circumvented by artifice; humans do it all the time with animals in cages so why wouldn't ET do it to us? What if they tinkered with us at a relative stage of our ignorance and primitivity and produced an entity: homo sapiens, that was an experiment they always wanted to carry out and monitor at various stages of its subsequent evolution? Excuse me, the doctor has sent me an email to remind me it's time to take my pill. Kim Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 5/25/2014 4:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. It is however fascinating that we're so fascinated by this idea. From I married a monster from outer space via Mr Spock to Mars needs women!. And giant gorillas are always fond of beautiful women. Brent Australia: Where men are men and sheep are nervous. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Brent Australia: Where men are men and sheep are nervous. Sorry Brent. You mean New Zealand. Liz can now get on her high horse. Kim Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. If aliens tinkered with our genes then there is a non-null possibility that we are more closely related to them genetically than we are to chimps, sea slugs or grass. That would appear to be the purpose of their intereference with evolution. Perhaps evolution is just a little bit too slow for them. Kim Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is Consciousness Computable?
On 25 May 2014, at 19:02, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:46:47 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2014, at 15:52, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:12:59 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 May 2014, at 22:02, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: -Original Message- From: LizR liz...@gmail.com To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Is Consciousness Computable? On 19 May 2014 05:12, spudboy100 via Everything List lt;everyt...@googlegroups.com gt; wrote: So you do not have a testable, falsifiable, theory Bruno. Not in the scientific sense. Could you tell me why? I have answered this to hibbsa since. What is wrong with the equation which provides the propositional physics (its logic of the observable) and its actual testing? Because you don't have one. But this is factually false. I do provide the complete propositional physics extracted from the classical computationalist thesis. So all physical experience which confirms QL, and refute Boolean logic, like Bell's equality, is actually testing computationalism. And that can also be used to provide counter-example for people using the quantum facts to argue against mechanism. The set of those testable comp-physical tautologies is decidable, and infinite. At the first order logical level, things are more complex. If you agree that quantum logic is empirical, like most people in the field, you should understand that comp explains that the laws of the possible empirical are equal to the laws which govern the structure of the computations going through our states (computational states), and so that logic is determined by the mental ability of the universal machine. Mathematically, we can limit ourselves to machine having simple (true) beliefs, like 0+x = x, etc. Is anyone independent working on a prediction unique to your work? Everyone trying to guess a law empirically, automatically test the physics of the machines. Have you follow the thread with Quentin Anciaux? He made a critics that I do understand. There was a possibility that the comp physics collapse into boolean logic. In that case, either comp would have been refuted, or show trivial, and QM would have been refuted altogether, at least as a physical laws. The real physics would be boolean, and QM would only describe a subpart of it. Well, but this did not happen. Comp (well classical comp) predicts or retrodicts that the observable have to be non boolean and indeed obeys quantum or quantum-like logic. It predicts or retrodicts also a part of the hamiltonian under a symmetry conditions. It misses important things like the linearity. It is easy to add it, but that would be treachery, and so there are tuns of problems to solve to progress. You just need to understand the technics. It is had, and I have done the best I could. A student and friend of mine, the late Eric Vandebusche did solve the first mathematical problems. And there is no ambition of comp to substitute itself with physics, which's use of the empiry accelerates the learning process. My interest is in theology, in what is the destiny of souls and soul. If they aren't, you don't have one. Doesn't mean you won't have one. But does mean you don't currently have a falsifiable theory. They are, some explicitly. But if QM is correct, and if by luck (or bad luck), the comp QL (one of them, as we got three of them) is exactly the quantum QL, then we will not need to test no more that. And it will remain open if that is a correct explanation of the origin of the quantum principle. It might be just a coincidence that where UDA and machines told us where the logic of physics can be, we find quantum logic. If, as it is probable, such comp QL differ crucially from quantum QL, well, we have to test to evaluate if it is fatal or not for comp. Oh, but I forget to mention one more things. The comp QL has more axioms, and if it is not defeated by empiry, it does provide new theorems and new physical predictions, like the comp knower S4Grz is not just the classical knower S4, the comp QL (S4Grz1, Z1*, X1*) have axioms inherited from the Löb formula, from which we get information not available. In their first order arithmetical extensions, there is an infinities of such information. Hi Bruno - you can definitely rest easy about the 'rumours'.I've no access to such things and don't seek them out. So far as I'm concerned a 'list' - even a public one like this - is sacrosanct and private. Like fight club geezer...that silly film: what happens on everything list, stays on everything list. My blood my pledge! SeriouslyI'm always aware arguing with you in this long running way, of your experiences you shared about psycho stalkers and such like. Well that ain't me geezer :o) I come from
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
I can think of loads of science fiction scenarios which will cover any specific speculation. For example, it's possible grey aliens are our descendants, time-travelling from an ecologically devastated future. They need to obtain samples of present day humanity as organ donors, or slaves, or to inspire them, or for revenge, or whatever happens to fit with the SF novel you're trying to write. However, when I made my comment I was just sticking to boring old known facts. I'd say that on the basis of current knowledge there's a 99.999...% chance that humans evolved on this planet (the DNA evidence certainly indicates that we did). But anyway... if you want to move into wild speculation I can do that too. Like I said, I hate to be pedantic. Yeah, poor old Whitley Streiber was once one of my favourite writers, but he seems to have gone a wee bit overboard a decade or two ago and I'm afraid I've kind of given up reading his stuff (after the second one about alien abductions). Shame cos he was a brilliant horror writer - The Night Church in particular, if I recall (long time sine I read them now). Who said evolution arranged things? I do hate straw man arguments, they indicate a lack of imagination. Saying we evolved is NOTHING at all like saying the Bible says X. Anyway yes the aliens of course tinkered with us - I've seen 2001. And computers will take over the world (could never happen...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014 19:07, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Brent Australia: Where men are men and sheep are nervous. Sorry Brent. You mean New Zealand. Liz can now get on her high horse. New Zealand diversified into dairy farming a few years ago and now you can't find a sheep for love nor money. (So to speak.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014 19:11, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. If aliens tinkered with our genes then there is a non-null possibility that we are more closely related to them genetically than we are to chimps, sea slugs or grass. That would appear to be the purpose of their intereference with evolution. Perhaps evolution is just a little bit too slow for them. If aliens tinkered with our genes, they did a damn poor job. I can think of a dozen things they could have improved. I want to hear like a bat, see infra red like a snake, regrow limbs like a salamander, run like a cheetah, have night vision like a owl, be able to hold my breath like a whale, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. (And I have a few suggestions for how the male sex could be improved, but I'll keep those to myself.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014, at 5:48 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2014 19:11, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. If aliens tinkered with our genes then there is a non-null possibility that we are more closely related to them genetically than we are to chimps, sea slugs or grass. That would appear to be the purpose of their intereference with evolution. Perhaps evolution is just a little bit too slow for them. If aliens tinkered with our genes, they did a damn poor job. I can think of a dozen things they could have improved. I want to hear like a bat, see infra red like a snake, regrow limbs like a salamander, run like a cheetah, have night vision like a owl, be able to hold my breath like a whale, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. (And I have a few suggestions for how the male sex could be improved, but I'll keep those to myself.) If God created the world then it's easy to see he's something of an underachiever - Woody Allen K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:12:56AM +1200, LizR wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. It is however fascinating that we're so fascinated by this idea. From I married a monster from outer space via Mr Spock to Mars needs women!. I agree with Liz. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no feeling for just how ginormous the number 4^1 billion is. That is the size of the solution space using Terrestrial DNA (4 base pairs, around a billion base pairs makes up human DNA). For comparison, the number of protons in the visible universe is a mere 4^132 or so. Sure, but the representation is very brittle. How many of those 4^1 billion leads to viable organisms? This is why, when exposed to radiation, we get cancer instead of super-powers... Then, the space of solutions may be further restricted by the evolutionary process itself. Just because some solution is valid, that doesn't mean that it is likely that it can be discovered through iterative improvement. Best, Telmo. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. Ok, but now you're making the requirements more stringent. We were talking about outer-space fetishists, not necessarily interbreeding. So functional similarity might be enough, as alluded in sheep are nervous. :) It is however fascinating that we're so fascinated by this idea. From I married a monster from outer space via Mr Spock to Mars needs women!. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: TRONNIES
Are the astronauts that spend a month in the space station younger than their twin brothers when they get back to earth? In my 25 May post my use of the word believe is meant to mean “believe”. It means am not certain. What is your answer to my question? John R. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On 25 May 2014 04:36, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: What I believe is that time does not slow down when you go fast. Well it does, as measured in the reference frame in which the object is going fast. This is an indisputable measurable effect which has been confirmed by atomic clocks flown in jets, by satellites and of course by particles in accelerators. I told you using the word believe when you talk about physics (except in a colloquial sense, to mean something like if I remember correctly) was a bad idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 5/26/2014 12:45 AM, LizR wrote: On 26 May 2014 19:07, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 May 2014, at 4:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Brent Australia: Where men are men and sheep are nervous. Sorry Brent. You mean New Zealand. Liz can now get on her high horse. Thanks, Kim, but I don't need any help with my jibes. :-) New Zealand diversified into dairy farming a few years ago and now you can't find a sheep for love nor money. (So to speak.) Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: TRONNIES
I don't have a prediction of the half-life of a neutron in motion. I do know that their half life is short and their speed is very fast when they are released in fission processes. Remember this crackpot spent his first five years after graduation working at the world's first commercial nuclear power plant as a test engineer. I was in charge of physics testing. And I taught Nuclear Reactor Physics at a school run by Duquesne Light for reactor operators. John R. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES Which illustrates the point that you don't know what time dilation means. But if tronnies don't carry wrist watches, how would you know whether time slowed down for them or not. What's th prediction about the half-life of free neutrons in motion? Brent On 5/24/2014 9:36 AM, John Ross wrote: What I believe is that time does not slow down when you go fast. John Ross From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 7:06 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On 23 May 2014, at 06:30, LizR wrote: On 23 May 2014 15:55, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure what is meant by time dilation. GOOD GOD!!! Is anyone still unsure about John Ross being a crackpot? Yeah, I have to admit that rather put a dent in whatever credibility he had. Sorry, Mr Ross, but you can't rewrite quantum theory if you don't even know the basics of what it is you're trying to explain! It seems he knows the idea, as he argued that it is not the correct explanation of why muons can travel from sun to earth, despite too short life time. But this confirms that Ross does not believe in special relativity. Time dilation or contraction is a rather easy consequence of a bounded speed limit for moving object though, in Euclidian and Minkowskian relativity. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
Hi, This phrase in the article makes me doubt that the writer thereof did his homework: for some unknown reason the flashes synchronize over time.” The synchronization of weakly coupled oscillators is a well known phenomena! It should be pointed out that in the human brain, global synchronization is harmful. It is the cause of epilepsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy#Mechanism. On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:26:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 21:16, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? No. Elementary arithmetic emulates n-synchronized oscillators for all n, even infinite enumerable set of oscillators. You would need a continuum of oscillators, with an explicit special non computable hamiltonian. Today, there is nothing in nature which would threat comp, except the collapse of the wave packet in theories where this is a physical phenomenon. Even in that case, it would be a computation with oracle, and not change much of the consequences. Anyway, I am not sure I can make sense of the wave collapse being a physical phenomenon, and even less that this play a role in the brain computation. Bruno 15046Synchronized oscillators may allow for computing that works like the brain *Expand Messages* - richard ruquist May 15 2:09 PM View Source - 0 Attachment - Synchronized oscillators may allow for computing that works like the brainMay 15, 2014 [image: oscillating_switch] This is a cartoon of an oscillating switch, the basis of a new type of low-power analog computing (credit: Credit: Nikhil Shukla, Penn State) Computing is currently based on binary (Boolean) logic, but a new type of computing architecture created by electrical engineers at Penn Statehttp://www.psu.edu/ stores information in the frequencies and phases of periodic signals and could work more like the human brain. It would use a fraction of the energy necessary for today’s computers, according to the engineers. To achieve the new architecture, they used a thin film of vanadium oxide on a titanium dioxide substrate to create an oscillating switch. Vanadium dioxide is called a “wacky oxide” because it transitions from a conducting metal to an insulating semiconductor and vice versa with the addition of a small amount of heat or electrical current. *Biological synchronization for associative processing* Using a standard electrical engineering trick, Nikhil Shukla, graduate student in electrical engineering, added a series resistor to the oxide device to stabilize oscillations. When he added a second similar oscillating system, he discovered that, over time, the two devices began to oscillate in unison, or synchronize. This coupled system could provide the basis for non-Boolean computing. Shukla worked with Suman Datta, professor of electrical engineering, and co-advisor Roman Engel-Herbert, assistant professor of materials science and engineering, Penn State. They reported their results May 14 in *Scientific Reports* (open access). “It’s called a small-world network,” explained Shukla. “You see it in lots of biological systems, such as certain species of fireflies. The males will flash randomly, but then for some unknown reason the flashes synchronize over time.” The brain is also a small-world network of closely clustered nodes that evolved for more efficient information processing. “Biological synchronization is everywhere,” added Datta. “We wanted to use it for a different kind of computing called associative processing, which is an analog rather than digital way to compute.” An array of oscillators can store patterns — for instance, the color of someone’s hair, their height and skin texture. If a second area of oscillators has the same pattern, they will begin to synchronize, and the degree of match can be read out, without consuming a lot of energy and requiring a lot of transistors, as in Boolean computing. *A neuromorphic computer chip* Datta is collaborating with Vijay Narayanan, professor of computer science and engineering, Penn State, in exploring the use of these coupled oscillations to solve visual recognition problems more efficiently than existing embedded vision processors. Shukla and Datta called on the expertise of Cornell University materials scientist Darrell Schlom to make the vanadium dioxide thin film, which has extremely high quality similar to single crystal silicon. Arijit Raychowdhury, computer engineer, and Abhinav Parihar graduate student, both of Georgia Tech, mathematically simulated the nonlinear dynamics of coupled phase transitions in the vanadium dioxide devices. Parihar created a short video simulation of the transitions, which
Re: TRONNIES
On 5/26/2014 10:56 AM, John Ross wrote: Are the astronauts that spend a month in the space station younger than their twin brothers when they get back to earth? Depends on how high their orbit is. The special relativistic effect is greater in low orbit, but it's dominated by the gravitational effect in higher orbits. Brent In my 25 May post my use of the word believe is meant to mean “believe”. It means am not certain. What is your answer to my question? John R. *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:55 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: TRONNIES On 25 May 2014 04:36, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com mailto:jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: What I believe is that time does not slow down when you go fast. Well it does, as measured in the reference frame in which the object is going fast. This is an indisputable measurable effect which has been confirmed by atomic clocks flown in jets, by satellites and of course by particles in accelerators. I told you using the word believe when you talk about physics (except in a colloquial sense, to mean something like if I remember correctly) was a bad idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: TRONNIES
On 5/26/2014 11:06 AM, John Ross wrote: I don't have a prediction of the half-life of a neutron in motion. I do know that their half life is short and their speed is very fast when they are released in fission processes. Remember this crackpot spent his first five years after graduation working at the world's first commercial nuclear power plant as a test engineer. I was in charge of physics testing. And I taught Nuclear Reactor Physics at a school run by Duquesne Light for reactor operators. Scares the shit out of me! Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: TRONNIES
On 27 May 2014 05:56, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Are the astronauts that spend a month in the space station younger than their twin brothers when they get back to earth? Yes, an astronaut aboard the ISS is younger than his hypothetical twin born at the same instant by about 0.007 seconds per 6 months spent in orbit. http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/q2739.html In my 25 May post my use of the word believe is meant to mean “believe”. It means am not certain. OK, but for future reference, in general usage I do not believe X doesn't mean you're uncertain about X, it means you believe X is not true. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: TRONNIES
On 27 May 2014 08:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/26/2014 11:06 AM, John Ross wrote: I don’t have a prediction of the half-life of a neutron in motion. I do know that their half life is short and their speed is very fast when they are released in fission processes. Remember this crackpot spent his first five years after graduation working at the world’s first commercial nuclear power plant as a test engineer. I was in charge of physics testing. And I taught Nuclear Reactor Physics at a school run by Duquesne Light for reactor operators. Scares the shit out of me! DuQuesne was the villain in EE Doc Smith's famous Skylark series. Just a concidence?!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skylark_of_Space -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. Ok, but now you're making the requirements more stringent. We were talking about outer-space fetishists, not necessarily interbreeding. So functional similarity might be enough, as alluded in sheep are nervous. :) Well if you're just talking about something you can put your dick in (or an alien can put their proboscis in), that's a (ahem) broad range of items, depending on your tastes (See A melon for ecstasy and The unrepentant necrophile for some suggestions for things one can have sex with in this sense, should one be so inclined). However your original reply (in blue above) certainly *appeared* to be talking about interbreeding. (Or did you mean humanoid forms are the only viable solution for fetishists who happen to get their kicks from anally probing members of other species ?) But anyway OK, aliens *may* want to have sex with humans, just as a human *may* want to have sex with orangutans - but generally they won't, because sexual attraction is fairly fine tuned, both by evolution and social norms (indeed it's so fine tuned that species that could in theory interbreed often don't) - and, at least in my experience, most humans don't even want to have sex with most other humans . never mind fancying members of a different species who will almost certainly give out all the wrong visual, behavioural, and chemical cues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:51 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. A plausible hypothesis – actually saw it a few nights ago on the Cosmos reboot is that when stars transit through interstellar gas clouds (the nurseries of new stars and planets) their attendant comet clouds become gravitationally perturbed, initiating an era of cometary bombardment. If a planet orbiting a star that is transiting one of these immense clouds get a good whack some of its life bearing rock can be hurled from the system and every once in a great while find its way to another water bearing planet orbiting some other star. This actually sounds plausible to me… that interstellar nurseries are also the cosmic engines for spreading advanced microbial life forms from planets of one star to other planets orbiting other stars…. Over the eons. Perhaps star systems have been exchanging DNA and microbial life since life first began somewhere in our galaxy and that this kind of emergent process is occurring in every galaxy in every universe with laws consonant with stable wet organic chemistry. Chris Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. Ok, but now you're making the requirements more stringent. We were talking about outer-space fetishists, not necessarily interbreeding. So functional similarity might be enough, as alluded in sheep are nervous. :) Well if you're just talking about something you can put your dick in (or an alien can put their proboscis in), that's a (ahem) broad range of items, depending on your tastes (See A melon for ecstasy and The unrepentant necrophile for some suggestions for things one can have sex with in this sense, should one be so inclined). However your original reply (in blue above) certainly appeared to be talking about interbreeding. (Or did you mean humanoid forms are the only viable solution for fetishists who happen to get their kicks from anally probing members of other species ?) But anyway OK, aliens may want to have sex with humans, just as a human may want to have sex with orangutans - but generally they won't, because sexual attraction is fairly fine tuned, both by evolution and social norms (indeed it's so fine tuned that species that could in theory interbreed often don't) - and, at least in my experience, most humans don't even want to have sex with most other humans . never mind fancying members of a different species who will almost certainly give out all the wrong visual, behavioural, and chemical cues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 27 May 2014 10:53, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. Which would put us on a par with, say, slime mould as far as our ability to reproduce with aliens went. That is, we might have the same genetic code, as I think everything on Earth does - but everything on Earth can't interbreed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:00 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 27 May 2014 10:53, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:51 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. Which would put us on a par with, say, slime mould as far as our ability to reproduce with aliens went. That is, we might have the same genetic code, as I think everything on Earth does - but everything on Earth can't interbreed. Unless, sexual reproduction is also widespread throughout the galaxy… and that species after species on planet after planet reproduce with sperm and eggs. Now that does not mean viable offspring – but the sexual act and the sex drive may be quite common and function in essentially the same way. Pure conjecture on my part of course J Naturally in order for a viable offspring to be produced the species must share most of their DNA, with even relatively closely related species, mostly being unable to reproduce with each other (or producing infertile hybrids) Life on earth has long been exchanging DNA with other life on earth through other means besides sexual reproduction, virus vectors for example. I would argue that life on Earth has exchanged a lot of DNA over the eons and that our own species has probably long ago picked up DNA from very different species by these means and that this DNA becomes incorporated into our hereditary lineage. I suspect that life is not nearly as isolated each within its own silo as we tend to assume; rather it is more like a sponge soaking in the soup of our dynamic living environment… cohabitating and sharing (even our own internal spaces) with a host of other organisms. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:53 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. A plausible hypothesis – actually saw it a few nights ago on the Cosmos reboot is that when stars transit through interstellar gas clouds (the nurseries of new stars and planets) their attendant comet clouds become gravitationally perturbed, initiating an era of cometary bombardment. I think they're doing a fine job with that reboot, although probably not up to Bruno's standards, lol. Recently found a video where the host chats for 3 minutes on his take regarding atheism and agnosticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos PGC If a planet orbiting a star that is transiting one of these immense clouds get a good whack some of its life bearing rock can be hurled from the system and every once in a great while find its way to another water bearing planet orbiting some other star. This actually sounds plausible to me… that interstellar nurseries are also the cosmic engines for spreading advanced microbial life forms from planets of one star to other planets orbiting other stars…. Over the eons. Perhaps star systems have been exchanging DNA and microbial life since life first began somewhere in our galaxy and that this kind of emergent process is occurring in every galaxy in every universe with laws consonant with stable wet organic chemistry. Chris Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't think we know enough at this point to estimate the diversity of the solution space for biologically evolved entities with human-level intelligence or above. It could be that something very similar to us is the only viable solution, or the most likely solution. Functionally similar (perhaps), but certainly not genetically similar. We aren't even gentically similar enough to interbreed with any other species that evolved on the same planet under very similar conditions to us - for example, we are very closely related to chimps, but we still can't interbreed with them. Ok, but now you're making the requirements more stringent. We were talking about outer-space fetishists, not necessarily interbreeding. So functional similarity might be enough, as alluded in sheep are nervous. :) Well if you're just talking about something you can put your dick in (or an alien can put their proboscis in), that's a (ahem) broad range of items, depending on your tastes (See A melon for ecstasy and The unrepentant necrophile for some suggestions for things one can have sex with in this sense, should one be so inclined). However your original reply (in blue above) certainly *appeared* to be talking about interbreeding. (Or did you mean humanoid forms are the only viable solution for fetishists who happen to get their kicks from anally probing members of other species ?) But anyway OK, aliens *may* want to have sex with humans, just as a human *may* want to have sex with orangutans - but generally they won't, because sexual attraction is fairly fine tuned, both by evolution and social norms (indeed it's so fine tuned that species that could in theory interbreed often don't) - and, at least in my experience, most humans don't even want to have sex with most other humans . never mind fancying members of a different species who will almost certainly give out all the wrong visual, behavioural, and chemical cues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 27 May 2014 11:24, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. Which would put us on a par with, say, slime mould as far as our ability to reproduce with aliens went. That is, we might have the same genetic code, as I think everything on Earth does - but everything on Earth can't interbreed. Unless, sexual reproduction is also widespread throughout the galaxy… and that species after species on planet after planet reproduce with sperm and eggs. Now that does not mean viable offspring – but the sexual act and the sex drive may be quite common and function in essentially the same way. Pure conjecture on my part of course J But so what? Generally speaking, we don't want to have sex with all the species on Earth that uses the same method of reproduction as us. Why would you expect aliens to want to have sex with us, any more than we want to have sex with, say, dogs? I can conjecture SF-y scenarios in which this might be likely, but nothing that seems reasonable under what seem remotely likely assumptions. For an example of something like this, see James Tiptree's story “And I Awoke and Found me Here” - in which humans have a pathological desire for sex with aliens (which the aliens don't reciprocate). But assuming some aliens *do* have a pathological desire for sex with other species due to some evolutionary kink, then obviously if they have suitable genitalia and can get the other species to agree, they can. However, generally humans don't have a desire for sex with other species, or even with the majority of members of their own species, and most other species on Earth are similarly disinclined, for obvious evolutionary reasons. So I don't see that this is at all likely. Or is this all some blokeish thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:41 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 27 May 2014 11:24, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. Which would put us on a par with, say, slime mould as far as our ability to reproduce with aliens went. That is, we might have the same genetic code, as I think everything on Earth does - but everything on Earth can't interbreed. Unless, sexual reproduction is also widespread throughout the galaxy… and that species after species on planet after planet reproduce with sperm and eggs. Now that does not mean viable offspring – but the sexual act and the sex drive may be quite common and function in essentially the same way. Pure conjecture on my part of course J But so what? Generally speaking, we don't want to have sex with all the species on Earth that uses the same method of reproduction as us. Why would you expect aliens to want to have sex with us, any more than we want to have sex with, say, dogs? Perhaps… but an alien species may want to inject its code into our species DNA – If it could travel across the gulf of interstellar space I assume it would also have sophisticated abilities to directly edit our DNA without the need for sex. If DNA life forms are in fact widespread and common throughout the galaxy then presumably this hypothetical alien species would already have vast knowledge from a diversity of planetary systems and reading and then editing our code would not present much of an issue. Chris I can conjecture SF-y scenarios in which this might be likely, but nothing that seems reasonable under what seem remotely likely assumptions. For an example of something like this, see James Tiptree's story “And I Awoke and Found me Here” - in which humans have a pathological desire for sex with aliens (which the aliens don't reciprocate). But assuming some aliens do have a pathological desire for sex with other species due to some evolutionary kink, then obviously if they have suitable genitalia and can get the other species to agree, they can. However, generally humans don't have a desire for sex with other species, or even with the majority of members of their own species, and most other species on Earth are similarly disinclined, for obvious evolutionary reasons. So I don't see that this is at all likely. Or is this all some blokeish thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 5/26/2014 4:24 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 4:00 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 27 May 2014 10:53, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Unless, of course life had already spread throughout our galaxy billions of years before our star was born and we are just the local Sol branch off the same galactic (or who knows perhaps even larger scale) tree of life. Which would put us on a par with, say, slime mould as far as our ability to reproduce with aliens went. That is, we might have the same genetic code, as I think everything on Earth does - but everything on Earth can't interbreed. Unless, sexual reproduction is also widespread throughout the galaxy… and that species after species on planet after planet reproduce with sperm and eggs. Now that does not mean viable offspring – but the sexual act and the sex drive may be quite common and function in essentially the same way. Pure conjecture on my part of course J Naturally in order for a viable offspring to be produced the species must share most of their DNA, with even relatively closely related species, mostly being unable to reproduce with each other (or producing infertile hybrids) Life on earth has long been exchanging DNA with other life on earth through other means besides sexual reproduction, virus vectors for example. I would argue that life on Earth has exchanged a lot of DNA over the eons and that our own species has probably long ago picked up DNA from very different species by these means and that this DNA becomes incorporated into our hereditary lineage. I suspect that life is not nearly as isolated each within its own silo as we tend to assume; rather it is more like a sponge soaking in the soup of our dynamic living environment… cohabitating and sharing (even our own internal spaces) with a host of other organisms. Yeah, I already have some genes shared with a sponge. That doesn't mean I can mate with one. In fact I can't even mate with Cameron Diaz. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture
On 27 May 2014 13:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Yeah, I already have some genes shared with a sponge. That doesn't mean I can mate with one. In fact I can't even mate with Cameron Diaz. Thanks for summing up what I've been trying to say ever so much more succinctly! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
