Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-10 Thread John M
: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time Stephen Paul King writes: I would agree that Time is just a coordinate (system), or as Leibniz claimed an order of succession, if we are considering only events in space-time that we can specify, e.g. take as a posteriori. What I am trying to argue

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:55:39PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: Sure, in fact I first learned of the idea from one of Tegmark's papers, he who is unknowingly one of the founding fathers of this list. Unknowingly? Tegmark was certainly involved in this list in the early days, but I suspect he

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jesse, I must apologize for my post last night, I had drunk a little too much beer. ;-) - Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Stephen: At 04:37 PM 5/6/2005, you wrote: Dear Hal, No, I disagree. The mere a priori existence of bit strings is not enough to imply necessity that what we experience 1st person view points. At best it allows the possibility that the bit strings could be implemented. You see the problem

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Finney
Time is just a coordinate, in relativity theory. The time coordinate has an opposite sign to the space coordinates, and that subtle difference is responsible for all of the enormous apparent difference between space and time. Granted, relativity theory is not a complete and accurate

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Hal, - Original Message - From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time Time is just a coordinate, in relativity theory. The time coordinate has an opposite sign

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Hal, [HF] Granted, relativity theory is not a complete and accurate specification of the world in which we live (that requires QM to be incorporated), but it is still a self-consistent model which illustrates how time can be dealt with mathematically in a uniform way

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Finney
Stephen Paul King writes: I would agree that Time is just a coordinate (system), or as Leibniz claimed an order of succession, if we are considering only events in space-time that we can specify, e.g. take as a posteriori. What I am trying to argue is that we can not do this in the a

Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Hal, No, I disagree. The mere a priori existence of bit strings is not enough to imply necessity that what we experience 1st person view points. At best it allows the possibility that the bit strings could be implemented. You see the problem is that it is impossible to derive Change or

RE: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King wrote: No, I disagree. The mere a priori existence of bit strings is not enough to imply necessity that what we experience 1st person view points. At best it allows the possibility that the bit strings could be implemented. You see the problem is that it is impossible to

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jesse, Interleaving. - Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time Stephen Paul King wrote: No, I disagree. The mere a priori

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Brent, - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time Julian Barbour's idea of time is just an ordering relation between self-contained

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Jesse, Interleaving. Stephen Paul King wrote: No, I disagree. The mere a priori existence of bit strings is not enough to imply necessity that what we experience 1st person view points. At best it allows the possibility that the bit strings could be

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
- Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time But what does physical level even mean, if universes or observer-moments are just elements

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King: Jesse, With all seriousness. Reach out that element of the set of all mathematical forms that most people call a hand, ball it into a fist, and pull it toward your face as hard as you can. Feel that effect, the blinding headache, please explain it away by repeating what