The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1103/1103.1651v1.pdf Here we go again. Ronald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe
-Original Message- From: ronaldheld Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:18 AM To: Everything List Subject: The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1103/1103.1651v1.pdf Here we go again. Ronald *** Hi Ronald! My first impression of this paper is that it is yet another attempt to reify the doctrine of dialectical materialism, then I wondered if the paper was the output of a science-word-salad-izer but reading further I saw some gems: Another implication of the current proposal is that there can be no self-aware mecha- nized artificial intelligence no matter how advanced the technology becomes, since biological intelligence is evolved as part of inter-connected universal evolution. A mechanical com- puter’s CPU will never acquire free will, since it will never be able to establish the infinite multitude of connections with the rest of the universe environment, as manifested in the entanglement of the phases of the wave-functions (the Aharonov-Bohm effect). However, entities formed through semi-biological pathways such as cloning are possible because they tap into nature’s established pathways to establish these infinite connections. As my kids would say: OMG! LOL! /facepalm I would like to agree in principle with Zhang but I am not sure that s/he is not a Chinese Room! Onward! Stephen PS, thanks for posting this reference -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe
Thanks Stephen, for the warning. I guess the onus is on the author to not sound like a crank! By the way, all the ligatures in your quote below displayed as a space in my email reader, so it doubled the effect :(. Cheers On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:27:04AM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Ronald! My first impression of this paper is that it is yet another attempt to reify the doctrine of dialectical materialism, then I wondered if the paper was the output of a science-word-salad-izer but reading further I saw some gems: Another implication of the current proposal is that there can be no self-aware mecha- nized artificial intelligence no matter how advanced the technology becomes, since biological intelligence is evolved as part of inter-connected universal evolution. A mechanical com- puter’s CPU will never acquire free will, since it will never be able to establish the infinite multitude of connections with the rest of the universe environment, as manifested in the entanglement of the phases of the wave-functions (the Aharonov-Bohm effect). However, entities formed through semi-biological pathways such as cloning are possible because they tap into nature’s established pathways to establish these infinite connections. As my kids would say: OMG! LOL! /facepalm I would like to agree in principle with Zhang but I am not sure that s/he is not a Chinese Room! Onward! Stephen PS, thanks for posting this reference -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Mathematics UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpco...@hpcoders.com.au Australiahttp://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE,QUANTUM
I see you beat me to posting this. Ronald On Mar 1, 12:55 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1102/1102.5339v1.pdf CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE QUANTUM Don N. Page Theoretical Physics Institute Department of Physics, University of Alberta Room 238 CEB, 11322 89 Avenue Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2G7 (2011 Feb. 25) Abstract Sensible Quantum Mechanics or Mindless Sensationalism is a framework for relating consciousness to a quantum universe. It states that each con- scious perception has a measure that is given by the expectation value of a corresponding quantum awareness operator in a fixed quantum state of the universe. The measures can be interpreted as frequency-type probabilities for a large set of perceptions that all actually exist with varying degrees of reality, so detailed theories within this framework are testable. The measures are not propensities for potentialities to be actualized, so there is nothing indeterministic in this framework, and no free will in the incompatibilistic sense. As conscious perceptions are determined by the awareness operators and the quantum state, they are epiphenomena. No fundamental relation is postulated between different perceptions (each being the entirety of a single conscious experience and thus not in direct contact with any other), so SQMor MS, a variant of Everett s many-worlds framework, is a many-perceptions framework but not a many-minds framework. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE,QUANTUM
I look forward to taking a look. I read his previous attempt at this, about 3 years ago, and it looked like an interesting approach, albeit embryonic (there were bits that didn't sound right, for instance). Cheers On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:28:57AM -0800, ronaldheld wrote: I see you beat me to posting this. Ronald On Mar 1, 12:55 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1102/1102.5339v1.pdf CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE QUANTUM Don N. Page Theoretical Physics Institute Department of Physics, University of Alberta Room 238 CEB, 11322 89 Avenue Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2G7 (2011 Feb. 25) Abstract Sensible Quantum Mechanics or Mindless Sensationalism is a framework for relating consciousness to a quantum universe. It states that each con- scious perception has a measure that is given by the expectation value of a corresponding quantum awareness operator in a fixed quantum state of the universe. The measures can be interpreted as frequency-type probabilities for a large set of perceptions that all actually exist with varying degrees of reality, so detailed theories within this framework are testable. The measures are not propensities for potentialities to be actualized, so there is nothing indeterministic in this framework, and no free will in the incompatibilistic sense. As conscious perceptions are determined by the awareness operators and the quantum state, they are epiphenomena. No fundamental relation is postulated between different perceptions (each being the entirety of a single conscious experience and thus not in direct contact with any other), so SQMor MS, a variant of Everett s many-worlds framework, is a many-perceptions framework but not a many-minds framework. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Mathematics UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpco...@hpcoders.com.au Australiahttp://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE,QUANTUM
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1102/1102.5339v1.pdf CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE QUANTUM Don N. Page † Theoretical Physics Institute Department of Physics, University of Alberta Room 238 CEB, 11322 – 89 Avenue Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2G7 (2011 Feb. 25) Abstract Sensible Quantum Mechanics or Mindless Sensationalism is a framework for relating consciousness to a quantum universe. It states that each con- scious perception has a measure that is given by the expectation value of a corresponding quantum “awareness operator” in a fixed quantum state of the universe. The measures can be interpreted as frequency-type probabilities for a large set of perceptions that all actually exist with varying degrees of reality, so detailed theories within this framework are testable. The measures are not propensities for potentialities to be actualized, so there is nothing indeterministic in this framework, and no free will in the incompatibilistic sense. As conscious perceptions are determined by the awareness operators and the quantum state, they are epiphenomena. No fundamental relation is postulated between different perceptions (each being the entirety of a single conscious experience and thus not in direct contact with any other), so SQMor MS, a variant of Everett’s “many-worlds” framework, is a “many-perceptions” framework but not a “many-minds” framework. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
