Le 14-déc.-06, à 11:43, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> But there is no true/false in saying that torture is bad, unless there
> is another
> hidden assumption such as "causing gratuitous suffering is bad", in
> which case
> the question becomes, why is causing gratuitous suffering bad?
> Ultima
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Peter,
>
> We can discuss any subject rationally if we agree on axioms, but the problem
> is that
> in matters of value, those axioms are ultimately arbitrary.
So you say. I don't agree.
> I believe that capital
> punishment is wrong; not because it is not a good
Bruno Marchal writes:
> Le 13-déc.-06, à 02:01, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>
> > OK, but the point is that the basic definition of "bad" is arbitrary.
>
>
> Perhaps, but honestly I am not sure. In acomp, we can define a (very
> platonist) notion of "bad". The simpler and stronger one is j
his Papaioannou
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:10:43 -0800
>
>
>
> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> > B
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> > It might seem
> > that there would be some consensus, for example that torturing
> > innocent people
> > is an example of "bad", but it is possible to assert without fear of
> > logical or
> > empirical contradiction that torturing innocent people is good.
>
> I disagree
Le 13-déc.-06, à 02:01, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> OK, but the point is that the basic definition of "bad" is arbitrary.
Perhaps, but honestly I am not sure. In acomp, we can define a (very
platonist) notion of "bad". The simpler and stronger one is just the
falsity "f". Then Bf, BBf, B
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Bruno Marchal writes:
> >
> > Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
> > >
> > >>> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
> > >>> by a problem: the problem o
Bruno Marchal writes:
> > I don't see how it's such a big problem. Consciousness exists,
> > therefore feelings exist,
> > and some of these feelings are unpleasant ones. Explaining
> > consciousness is difficult,
> > but once granted, you don't need an extra theory for every different
> > ty
Bruno Marchal writes:
>
> Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>
> >
> >
> > Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
> >
> >>> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
> >>> by a problem: the problem of evil. I don't think the real problem of
>
Le 12-déc.-06, à 13:02, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>
>
> Bruno Marchal writes:
>
>>
>> Le 12-déc.-06, à 03:58, 1Z a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1Z wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem
> of
> Good) is interesting. Of
Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>
>
> Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
>
>>> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
>>> by a problem: the problem of evil. I don't think the real problem of
>>> evil is solved or even really addressed
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 12-déc.-06, à 03:58, 1Z a écrit :
>
> >
> >
> > 1Z wrote:
> >> Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
> >>> Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
> >>> current theories of everyth
Bruno Marchal writes:
>
> Le 12-déc.-06, à 03:58, 1Z a écrit :
>
> >
> >
> > 1Z wrote:
> >> Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
> >>> Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
> >>> current theories of e
Le 12-déc.-06, à 03:58, 1Z a écrit :
>
>
> 1Z wrote:
>> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
>>> Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
>>> current theories of everything: Loop gravity and String theory.
>>
Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
> > In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
> > by a problem: the problem of evil. I don't think the real problem of
> > evil is solved or even really addressed with comp. This is because
> > comp cannot define evil corre
1Z wrote:
> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> > I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
> > Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
> > current theories of everything: Loop gravity and String theory.
>
> !!
To expand a bit, both
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
> Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
> current theories of everything: Loop gravity and String theory.
!!
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