On 27 February 2014 12:08, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Well, Liz, not to be a nattering nabob of negativism, but its too
diffuse. It's not like hydroelectric, we can gather up at one 'choke point'
and then draw in to spin turbines, Its spread all over the surface of the
Earth (the target zone).
This is what they call a google bomb. Historians may think google searches
represent something about the mind of humanity. So this particular google
bomb might lead them to think the Fukushima reactor exploded in 2014.
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On 2/26/2014 3:22 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Here in the States, we have the executive branch using the IRS and the FBI to go after
enemies of the progressives.
Enemies? You mean those organizations like Retake America that claimed to be charitable
organizations not engaging in any
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Solar cells are getting cheaper and easier
On 2/24/2014 11:24 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
That would certainly be true if there is no sense of urgency to get the job done, but we
got to the moon in less than 9 years once we decided we really really wanted to go
there. There is no scientific reason it would take decades to get a LFTR
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On 2/24/2014 11:24 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
That would certainly be true if there is no sense of urgency to get the
job done, but we got to the moon in less than 9 years once we
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
I think the early experiments at Oak Ridge with LFTR were side-lined
because it did not fit well with the requirements of the Cold War. The LFTR
fuel cycle does not support (i.e. help scale up) the military need
On 2/25/2014 10:47 AM, John Clark wrote:
Well let's see, my car has 306 horsepower, one horsepower is equal to 746 watts so my
car needs 228,276 watts. On a bright day at noon solar cells produce about 10 watts per
square foot, so my car would need 22,827 square feet of solar cells, that's not
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new
components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and
everything continues to work the same way downstream.
This is why I'm keen on the idea of extracting CO2 from the air and making
petrol, if possible. No change is
On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote:
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e.
different types of generators - nuclear etc) and everything continues to work the same
way downstream.
This is why I'm keen on the idea of extracting CO2 from the air and
On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote:
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new
components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and
everything continues to work the same way downstream.
This
On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
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On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote:
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new
components
(i.e. different types of generators
On 26 February 2014 12:05, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote:
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new
components (i.e.
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The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components
(i.e. different types
On 2/25/2014 4:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Its only a pipe dream if it doesn't work. Its all lies and exaggeration if a technology
if it does not. For decades, people all over the world have worked on energy systems to
replace the dirty sources that we have trouble with, regarding air and
Every time someone says we should worry about climate change or look for
renewable sources of power, people start saying it's a plot by greenies to
rule the world.
Psychologists tell us that people tend to project their own motives onto
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On 2/25/2014 4:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Its only a pipe dream if it doesn't work. Its all lies and exaggeration if
a technology if it does not. For decades, people all over the world have
worked on energy systems to replace the dirty sources
On 2/25/2014 7:18 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Point taken. But I know that the progressive billionaires do advocate switching off our
current dirty, in exchange for promises of clean. Promises, only, that is.
Hydroelectric, isn't really solar, its gravity, so we can call it gravity power.
On 26 February 2014 16:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's scope obviously requires government level leadership and
organization, but YOU exemplify the obstruction to that with your Ayn Rand
fear of government and dogmatic faith in 'free markets'.
This is SO similar to a friend of
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On 26 February 2014 12:05, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2
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The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components
(i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and everything
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Point taken. But I know
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Hydro IS solar. How do you think the water
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
There are many reasons why nuclear power is dead in the water.
I think the main reason is that reactors got too big too fast and their
design has been frozen for nearly half a century. They found a nuclear
reactor
Solar cells are getting cheaper and easier to use (e.g. flexible plastic
ones). It should be possible to stick them anywhere you want, e.g. on
buildings or cars. This would mean at least some solar power could be
harvested using existing infrastructure. As usual the technology is there,
or almost
Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class.
CO2 + 2H2O make CH4 PLUS 2 oxygen molecules. Use a multiple of such to make
your 'petrol' (lesser ratio of H to C and even absorbing a little portion
of the O2) yet the surplus of O2 is still generated.
What I am driving at are CH3-CH2...CH2.CH3
On 25 February 2014 12:20, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class.
Sadly not my strong point, as I'm sure you realise. I just know that car
exhausts produce CO2 and water vapour (plus a bit of lead etc) so I'm
guessing one can in theory
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:30:21PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 25 February 2014 12:20, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class.
Sadly not my strong point, as I'm sure you realise. I just know that car
exhausts produce CO2 and water vapour (plus a
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There are many reasons why nuclear power is dead in the water.
I think the main reason is that reactors got too big too fast and their
design has been frozen for nearly half a
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On 2/21/2014 2:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I am in agreement but I am guessing humankind does not yet possess a working
LTFR that could power a large city. Nor, is a MSR (molten salt
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors
with thorium fuel?
If it were a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) and the cowardly
operators saw the Tsunami coming and ran for the hills and completely
of work here
and there, little is happening.
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Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors with
thorium fuel?
If it were a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) and the cowardly operators
saw
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Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors
with thorium
fuel?
If it were a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) and the
On 2/21/2014 2:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I am in agreement but I am guessing humankind does not yet possess a working LTFR that
could power a large city. Nor, is a MSR (molten salt reactor) to accomplish the goodies
we all need, abundant and comparatively safe. Like fusion, like solar,
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On 20 February 2014 00:20, spudboy
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Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors
with thorium fuel?
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Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/
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Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/
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On 20 February 2014 00:20, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
They may never have provided any electricity in the first place. I have
read, at length, some nuclear engineering papers, concerning accelerator
driven reactors, subcritical thorium, and bluntly, they are like fusion
reactors, they don't
Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors
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On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote:
Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/
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I'm over-compensating in the other direction a bit here. Not because I love
the bomb, but if you only knew the power of the dark side.
Come ... join us... Don't be afraid...
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On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:50:19 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
Would this have happeed if Japan had been using subcritical reactors
with thorium fuel?
It's worth asking. I don't know the answer but if half the promise were
half true for Thorium it'd be pretty hard to accept the risk
Ghibbsa,
I tend to agree, if nuclear reactors are just built to the high safety
standards they need to be. Quite obviously they should be built to
automatically shut down safely, rather than having melt downs.
In general the aggregate risks of nuclear power are less than comparable
amounts of
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:33:19 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Ghibbsa,
I tend to agree, if nuclear reactors are just built to the high safety
standards they need to be. Quite obviously they should be built to
automatically shut down safely, rather than having melt downs.
In
If it had been a liquid salt type thorium reactor as prototyped at Oak Ridge in the 50's,
it could not have happened. The thorium salt is a solid at room temperature and is not
water soluble.
Brent
On 2/18/2014 2:50 PM, LizR wrote:
Would this have happened if Japan had been using
Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/
liter
NHK http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140213_22.html , Feb.
13, 2014: Record cesium level in Fukushima plant groundwater - [Tepco] says
water samples taken from a newly-dug well contained the highest levels
Jeez. Roll on solar power.
On 14 February 2014 04:01, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/
liter
NHK http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140213_22.html, Feb.
13, 2014: *Record cesium level in
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