RE: 2C Mary

2003-06-09 Thread Colin Hales
and you still have one entity having one set of qualia. At least that's what I'm trying to work out. My clumsy first pass at this is 2C Mary. I hope I get better at it! cheers, Colin

Re: 2C Mary - How minds perceive things and not things

2003-06-08 Thread Bretton Vine
Hi Been lurking a few weeks, feeling a little overwhelmed by how much more everyone seems educated on the topic than I've managed to absorb through my own casual readings. Internet geek, psychonaut from South Africa, no formal education. :-) (Apologies for length - so much I want to cover) R

Re: 2C Mary - How minds perceive things and not things

2003-06-05 Thread R Hlywka
Just a note. Think of a brain more than just an intake valve, reacting to similar stuff, and not so similar stuff. There are so many things we need to take into consideration. Genetics. We are born with a specific preprogramed set of organization and hardware. the way the neurons are

2C Mary

2003-06-04 Thread Colin Hales
. To see where it leads. I really don't know if it's well trodden ground or not. The second part is 2C Mary. This is a small thought experiment designed to illustrate as simply as I can the possibility for a mechanism for access to apparently physics-violating phenomena. Those interested

Re: 2C Mary

2003-06-04 Thread Mirai Shounen
and for a connection between soul and hardware. Any thoughts on this? mirai++ - Original Message - ??? : Colin Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?? : 'everything' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : 2003?6?3? 22:35 ?? : 2C Mary Dear Folks, Once again I find myself fossicking

RE: 2C Mary

2003-06-04 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, From: Mirai Shounen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think your idea makes sense. Just like the distance between two particles is not 'nothing' but a real property of the universe at that time (therefore there are 3 things in mary's brain), also the specific configuration of

Re: 2C Mary

2003-06-04 Thread Pete Carlton
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 03:17 PM, Colin Hales wrote: Re the latter thought: Can I suggest reading a pile of Daniel Dennett? The 'representationalist' or its extremum: the eliminativist end of consciousness is, as are all other philosophical positions as far as I can tell, both right and

Re: 2C Mary - Check your concepts at the door

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Hawthorne
My physics is decades-old first-year U level (I'm a computer science type). But if I'm not mistaken, there's no such thing as a 2C speed, or a 2C closing of separation between two objects. All speeds can only be measured from some reference frame that is travelling with one of the objects (say

Re: 2C Mary - How minds perceive things and not things

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Colin Hales wrote: The real question is the ontological status of the 'nothing' in that last sentence. I am starting to believe that the true nature of the 'fundamental' beneath qualia is not only about the 'stuff', but is actually about all of it. That is, the 'stuff' and the 'not stuff'. So.

Re: 2C Mary

2003-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 23:35 03/06/03 +1000, Colin Hales wrote: Dear Folks, Once again I find myself fossicking at the boundaries and need to ask one of those questions. My first experience with an asker of such a question was in the last couple of years at high school. I'll tell you about it because, well, the