Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 7/21/2012 5:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. And it is here that "conventional physics" has a problem, for to relate observations with perceptions they rely on the physical supervenience thesis, which does no more work when comp is assumed. It is only a problem in that the explanatio

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-21 Thread meekerdb
On 7/21/2012 5:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. And it is here that "conventional physics" has a problem, for to relate observations with perceptions they rely on the physical supervenience thesis, which does no more work when comp is assumed. It is only a problem in that the explanation is in

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 20-juil.-12, à 20:02, meekerdb a écrit : On 7/20/2012 8:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason,     The problem that I see with this definition is that it makes existence contingent and not necessary. The contingency (or dependence in the weaker case) on the capacity of "having object

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/20/2012 5:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/20/2012 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/20/2012 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/20/2012 8:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, The problem that I see with this definition is that it makes existence contingent and not necessary. The conti

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread meekerdb
On 7/20/2012 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/20/2012 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/20/2012 8:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, The problem that I see with this definition is that it makes existence contingent and not necessary. The contingency (or dependence in the weaker cas

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread meekerdb
On 7/20/2012 8:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, The problem that I see with this definition is that it makes existence contingent and not necessary. The contingency (or dependence in the weaker case) on the capacity of "having objective properties that could be studied by independe

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/20/2012 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/19/20

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/20/2012 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King >> wrote: >> >>> To fix

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/20/2012 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: To fix a ty

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/20/2012 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: To fix a ty

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> To fix a typo >> >> On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> Dear Bruno, >> >> I need to slow down and just addres

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: To fix a typo On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it s

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > To fix a typo > > On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > Dear Bruno, > > I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it seems > to be the point where we disconnect from understanding each other. > > On 7/19/

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Stephen P. King
To fix a typo On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it seems to be the point where we disconnect from understanding each other. On 7/19/2012 10:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: At this stage I will ask you to de