Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Apr 2013, at 13:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Qualia are generated, With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth seen from some point of view.

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:45:39 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Apr 2013, at 13:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Qualia are generated, With comp the qualia are not

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Qualia are generated, With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth seen from some point of view. They cannot even been defined, but it can be shown

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:34:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 22:39, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies one of the core issues. The Hard Problem of Consciousness is confusing to people

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:01:21 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a universe defined purely by function, that qualia cannot be possible. What this means

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it impossible to conceive of consciousness as residing anywhere other than in the

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:30:16 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Qualia are generated, With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth seen from some point of view. They cannot even been defined, but it can be shown that they obeys to some laws (including the maws of not being

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comwrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 4:39:11 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg

Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies one of the core issues. The Hard Problem of Consciousness is confusing to people whose mindset is innately compelled to define consciousness as a collection