Re: Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Likewise the self-driving cars on earth Yes. > and consciousness on the brain. Maybe :) > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> > The Mars Rover is cont

Re: Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
Likewise the self-driving cars on earth and consciousness on the brain. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > The Mars Rover is controlled from Earth. > > That's hardly a bottom-up control > > See George Ellis http://ar

Re: Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > The Mars Rover is controlled from Earth. > That's hardly a bottom-up control > See George Ellis http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1212/1212.2275.pdf Hi Richard, Roger's claim was that "Materialistic science and programming has no such feat

Re: Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
The Mars Rover is controlled from Earth. That's hardly a bottom-up control See George Ellis http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1212/1212.2275.pdf On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > A Leibnizian view on why bottom up prog

Re: Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > A Leibnizian view on why bottom up programing cannot work for the brain > > 1. In order for the brain to control or govern > there must be a single governor Why? > 2. The single governor must be the single most dominant element in the > s

Leibniz view on why why bottom up control cannot work for the brain

2013-09-02 Thread Roger Clough
A Leibnizian view on why bottom up programing cannot work for the brain 1. In order for the brain to control or govern there must be a single governor 2. The single governor must be the single most dominant element in the system and must control downward, not upward 3. Materialistic sc