Hi Bruno Marchal
"Hmm... I might explain later why machines are necessarily confronted to the
same problem, and even why some machine will lie to themselves to hide that
problem, for example by becoming adult and wanting to reassure the children or
something.
Arithmetical truth can be seen
John Clark
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Time: 2012-08-15, 13:47:56
Subject: Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote:
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> 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers cannot,
Computers can distinguish between
Hi Jason Resch
It isn't levels that's the problem, it's the dualism between (concrete)
privately lived experience and describing
the experience in words (abstractions) in public afterwards. The former is
alive, the latter is dead.
A description is not the thing itself.
Roger , rclo...@veri
Hi Bruno Marchal
You have a much more rational view of the mind/brain than I do.
You seem to believe that reason must always be involved, but
IMHO it need not and in faxct rarely is involved. I can walk up
stairs without looking at my feet or thinking "right" or "left" foot".
And when I see a r
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Roger wrote:
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> And any creative act comes out of the blue if it is truly creative (new).
> Improved jazs would be a good example of that. I believe that
> John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world.
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> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
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Hi Roger,
Jazz
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote:
> > 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers
> cannot,
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Computers can distinguish between red and blue just like you can. And I
know that I can but I have no direct evidence that either you or a computer
can experience
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Roger wrote:
> Hi John Clark
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> 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers
> cannot,
> all they can know are 0s and 1s.
>
This statement suggests to me that you are not familiar with the levels of
abstraction that are common in comp
Hi John Clark
1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers cannot,
all they can know are 0s and 1s.
2) One can use methods such as statistics to infer something in a
practical or logical sense, eg if a bottle of wine has a french label
one can infer that it might well b
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