Re: Questions on Russell's "Why Occam" paper

2005-06-12 Thread Russell Standish
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Turing subset of my world has additional constraints - namely the worlds seen by observers whose O(x)'s are prefix machines, not just maps. On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 05:56:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 10-juin-05, ?

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:43:30PM -0700, "Hal Finney" wrote: > Jesse Mazer writes: > > But I explained in my last post how the ASSA could also apply to an > > arbitrary "next" observer-moment as opposed to an arbitrary "current" > > one--if you impose the condition I mentioned about the relation

Re: collapsing quantum wave function

2005-06-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: [quoting Norman Samish] > Suppose we take ten apparently identical ball bearings and put stickers on > each with the identifiers "1" through "10." We leave the room where the > balls with stickers are, and a robot removes the stickers and mixes the > balls up so that

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Daddycaylor writes: I'm new to this so I haven't read about all your people's different theories. I've read quite a bit on transhumanist stuff, Aubrey DeGrey, Freeman Dyson, ... it seems people are trying anything they can imagine, and expanding into what they can't imagine, to look for

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: But the basic idea is simple perhaps: Suppose I must choose between a) I am 3-multiplied in ten exemplars. One will get an orange juice and 9 will be tortured. b) I am 3-multiplied in ten exemplars. One will be tortured, and 9 will get a glass of orange juice instead

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-12 Thread Saibal Mitra
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RE: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-12 Thread Saibal Mitra
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RE: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
This is *exactly* the way it is! Each moment is ephemeral; once the next moment comes along, the previous one could not be any more thoroughly dead and gone from the universe if it had sat on top of a detonating nuclear bomb. Of course, the difference if you sit on a nuclear bomb is that, QTI a

Re: collapsing quantum wave function

2005-06-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 09:14:11PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >There is certainly no 3rd person experiment that can be done to > >distinguish between these two interpretations, and the only 1st person > >experiment I can think of relates to tests of quantum immortality. I > >find it hard t