Re: OMs are events

2005-08-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Aditya, Le 06-août-05, à 00:19, Aditya Varun Chadha a écrit : Greetings, Not sure of the exact formal meaning but I think Bruno is talking something related to Godel's incompleteness for second order and "higher" logics. (sorry if that was already obvious) G and G* do not really depend on

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 08-août-05, à 17:49, Lee Corbin a écrit : (True, we can also extend sympathy by believing it to be utterly true that he is experiencing pain, but I think that John and I (and many) are simply not comfortable with introducing a "reality", namely, "subjective reality" to cover this simple situ

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread John M
Dear Bruno, I hope not to affront Lee when I imply that "both of us" may well accept the 1st person "impression of reality" as interpreted by the 1st person mind, only the "objective" encompassing reality - which is not accesible in its uninterpreted format - is the problem. Interpreted used as su

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread daddycaylor
It seems to me (oh no, subjectivity!) that believing in an objective reality is doing the same epistemic move as Bruno's belief in arithmetic realism and Godel's Platonism. Isn't belief in "objective reality" really by definition simply saying that there's something CAUSING ALL of our subjecti

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 12:30:26PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It seems to me (oh no, subjectivity!) that believing in an objective > reality is doing the same epistemic move as Bruno's belief in > arithmetic realism and Godel's Platonism. Isn't belief in "objective > reality" really by d

RE: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, (via) Reality vs. Perception of Reality In answer to Bruno’s recent comments on the old post: * Thanks for helping me sort out my ‘Nagels’! I had them mixed up in EndNote. * Young? 49 years young. Getting young and seemingly knowing less and less every day. :-) This I seem to have to conclud

RE: subjective reality

2005-08-09 Thread Lee Corbin
Bruno writes > Le 08-août-05, à 17:49, Lee Corbin a écrit : > > > (True, we can also extend sympathy by believing it to be utterly > > true that he is experiencing pain, but I think that John and I > > (and many) are simply not comfortable with introducing a "reality", > > namely, "subjective real