Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
Thanks for that, Jesse. History-by-Hollywood has been my downfall before...scriptwriter Akiva Goldsman should perhaps get six cuts of the school cane for using such a high degree of creative licence with the facts. A Best Movie vote seems to screw up one's scholarly instincts to check the

RE: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John M writes: Stathis: 1. to Kim's question to Bruno (and your reply): I call reasonable the items matching OUR (human) logic, even if we call it a machine. There is no norm in the existence for 'reasonable', as Cohen and Stewart showed in their chef d'oeuvre on Chaos in the imaginary

Re: Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-28 Thread Rich Winkel
According to Stathis Papaioannou: On the other hand, about 1/3 of people who present with psychotic symptoms will have either a complete or a near-complete response to medication with minimal side-effects, and it would be tragic if they missed out due to anti-psychiatry prejudice or (more

Re: platinum-eaters and alien abductees

2006-05-28 Thread Jef Allbright
On 5/24/06, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, the very notion of continuity of personal identity, which is necessary if survival is to have any meaning, is just as much a product of evolutionary expedience. That is, it is no more logically necessary that an organism is the same

Hell freezing over

2006-05-28 Thread Russell Standish
This piece of doggerel might be of interest to this list as it combines a bit of science and theology to have some fun. It was forwarded to me by my Grandfather (he's pretty amazing - we get a weekly report of the happenings in the retirement home, and he writes well enough to make it

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 03:35:07PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Philosophers are at the opposite extreme of engineers, in that they consider the practical details of their thought experiments to be unimportant. I think the idea that Parfit is exploring in the term psychological

Re: Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-28 Thread Rich Winkel
At the risk of wasting more bandwidth than I alread have I'd like to apologize for any discomfort I've caused on the list. Sometimes I feel like a jewish person arguing the reality of the holocaust to doubters. Such is the hidden record of psychiatry and the power of its PR machine. Please

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-28 Thread Russell Standish
I borrowed a copy of Parfit's book from UNSW's library. I daresay USyd will have a copy too, perhaps even the State library. Unless you meant my book, to which you've already had a sneak preview. It can be purchased from http://www.booksurge.com.au, but I will make an announcement on that in a