Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread 1Z
> But suppose we can create an AI, but we can't produce copies that don't > diverge immediately; perhaps a consequence of the quantum no-cloning > theorem. I realize that's probably not the case since it would require > that computation of the complexity to produce consciousness must include > s

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread 1Z
On 15 Aug, 01:37, "Quentin Anciaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/15 Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > But suppose we can create an AI, but we can't produce copies that don't > > diverge immediately; perhaps a consequence of the quantum no-cloning > > theorem. I realize that's proba

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/8/15 Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But that assumes there can be a computation independent of any material > realization - a computation that never has an error. Real computations > are realized by quantum mechanical devices. Of course they may be so > large and hot that they are to

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/8/15 1Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The possibility that someone might be duplicated at some indeterminate > point in the future leads to no indeminacy affecting me now. The indeterminacy works the same way across time as across space. If I know that there are two copies of my mind being impleme

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread 1Z
On 15 Aug, 14:05, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I > know that there are two copies of my mind being implemented on two > adjacent computers, You don't know that. That is the whole problem. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message b

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2008/8/15 Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> But that assumes there can be a computation independent of any material >> realization - a computation that never has an error. Real computations >> are realized by quantum mechanical devices. Of course they may b

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-15 Thread John Mikes
G.G. wrote: 1Z wrote: > It doesn't have to explain it on the basis of apriori axioms. Standard > cosmology accepts > that many features fo the universe stem from contingent, essentially > unaccountable boundary conditions. GüGr: "Well, actually these strangely "contingent" conditions are what lea