Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Marc, */Eliezer/*'s hubris about a Bayesian approach to intelligence is nothing more than the usual 'metabelief' about a mathematics... or about computation... meant in the sense that "cognition is computation", where computation is done BY the universe (with the material of the universe us

RE: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
Colin Hales wrote: > Computationalism is FALSE in the sense that it cannot be used to construct a > scientist. > A scientist deals with the UNKNOWN. > If you could compute a scientist you would already know everything! Science > would be impossible. > So you can 'compute/simulate' a scientist,

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi! Assumptions assumption assumptionstake a look: You said: "Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce results you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms." OK. here's the rub... /"You didn't already know about..."/. Just exactly 'who' (the 'you')

RE: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi! > Assumptions assumption assumptionstake a look: You said: > > "Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce results > you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms." > > OK. here's the rub... "You didn't already know abou

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 2, 1:56 pm, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marc, > > */Eliezer/*'s hubris about a Bayesian approach to intelligence is > nothing more than the usual 'metabelief' about a mathematics... or about > computation... meant in the sense that "cognition is computation", where > compu

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, I'm responding to Jesse at the moment... but to round out...every now and then I give myself the luxury of kcicking the received view in the butt ... to try and get it to wake up. I'll go away shortly :-) Deep blue doesn't know it's a chess program, doesn't know what chess is, doesn

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hello again Jesse, I am going to assume that by trashing computationalism that Marc Geddes has enough ammo to vitiate Eleizer's various predilections so... to that end... Your various comments (see below) have a common thread of the form "I see no reason why you can't ..X.". So let's focus