Re: R/ASSA query

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Rex Allen wrote: >> >> So I'm just trying to understand my situation here. To me, my >> existence seems quite perplexing. An explanation is in order. >> > > But you never say what would count as an explanation - which makes me think > you do

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> silky wrote: >>> I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) C

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: silky wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: silky wrote: I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) Clearl

Re: R/ASSA query

On 17 Jan 2010, at 09:11, Brent Meeker wrote: Brent "The reason that there is Something rather than Nothing is that Nothing is unstable." -- Frank Wilczek, Nobel Laureate, phyiscs 2004 So, why is Nothing unstable? Because there are so many ways to be something and only one way to be n

Re: R/ASSA query

On 18 Jan 2010, at 00:37, Rex Allen wrote: The patterns I've observed don't explain my conscious experience. There's nothing in my concept of "patterns" which would explain how it might give rise to conscious experience. So I fully buy the idea that patterns (physical or platonic) can be used

Re: R/ASSA query

2010/1/18 Nick Prince : >> If you had to guess you would say that your present OM is a common >> rather than a rare one, because you are more likely to be right. >> However, knowledge trumps probability. If you know that your present >> OM is common and your successor OM a minute from now rare - b

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010/1/18 silky : > It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to > do. We can design a program that has a desire to 'live', as desire to > find mates, and otherwise entertain itself. In this way, with some > other properties, we can easily model simply pets. Brent's reasons

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

Dear Brent, is it your 'conscious' position to look at things in an anthropocentric limitation? If you substitute consistently 'animal' for 'pet', you can include the human animal as well. In that case your #1: would you consider 'distress' a disturbed mental state only, or include organisational

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On 18 Jan 2010, at 16:35, John Mikes wrote: Is a universal mchine 'live'? I would say yes, despite the concrete artificial one still needs humans in its reproduction cycle. But we need plants and bacteria. I think that all machines, including houses and garden are alive in that sense. Ci

Re: R/ASSA query

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jan 2010, at 09:11, Brent Meeker wrote: Brent "The reason that there is Something rather than Nothing is that Nothing is unstable." -- Frank Wilczek, Nobel Laureate, phyiscs 2004 So, why is Nothing unstable? Because there are so many ways to be something

Re: R/ASSA query

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jan 2010, at 00:37, Rex Allen wrote: The patterns I've observed don't explain my conscious experience. There's nothing in my concept of "patterns" which would explain how it might give rise to conscious experience. So I fully buy the idea that patterns (physical or

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2010/1/18 silky : > > It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to > > do. We can design a program that has a desire to 'live', as desire to > > find mates, and otherwise entertain itself. In this way, with some >

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/18 silky : It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to do. We can design a program that has a desire to 'live', as desire to find mates, and otherwise entertain itself. In this way,

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010/1/19 silky : > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: >> 2010/1/18 silky : >> > It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to >> > do. We can design a program that has a desire to 'live', as desire to >> > find mates, and otherwise entertain itsel

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> 2010/1/18 silky : >>> It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to do. We can design a program that has a desi

Re: R/ASSA query

On Jan 18, 2:11 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2010/1/18 Nick Prince : > > > > > > >> If you had to guess you would say that your present OM is a common > >> rather than a rare one, because you are more likely to be right. > >> However, knowledge trumps probability. If you know that your prese

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2010/1/19 silky : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > > wrote: > > > 2010/1/18 silky : > > > > It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to > > > > do. We can design a program that has a

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/18 silky : It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to do. We can design a program that has a

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >> >>> silky wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou < stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/1/18 silky :

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/19 silky : On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/18 silky : It would be my (naive) assumption, that this is arguably trivial to do. We can design a program t

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >> >>> 2010/1/19 silky : >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou < stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/1/18 silky

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: silky wrote: On T

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Brent Meeker >> > meeke...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: >> >>silky wrote: >> >>On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Brent Meeker >>mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: >> >>

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: silky wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com> >

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > silky wrote: > > [...] >> > > >> Here we disagree. I don't see (not that I have experience in >> AI-programming specifically, mind you) how I can write a program and not >> have the results be deterministic. I wrote it; I know, in general,