Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Mar 2011, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 17.03.2011 16:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 16.03.2011 17:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I do not follow the relationship be

Re: Complete Theory of Everything

2011-03-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Mar 2011, at 19:34, meekerdb wrote: On 3/18/2011 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi John, In computer science there is something interesting which can be seen as a critics or as a vindication of what you are saying. That thing is the Church thesis, also called Church-Turing thesis, (

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.03.2011 08:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 18 Mar 2011, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Not at all. I said exactly that. See the quote above. It is *because* they have the same right, that we have to listen to both copies, and can define the indeterminacy from what they ca

Re: Complete Theory of Everything

2011-03-19 Thread John Mikes
Bruno and Brent: "machines" either 'real' numbers' or not, they are humanly devised, even if we state not to be able to 'understand' them. I want to venture into domains where our 'human ways cannot apply e.g. (silly even to attempt to give an examples on whatever we are not capable to knowing) if

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 19.03.2011 08:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 18 Mar 2011, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Not at all. I said exactly that. See the quote above. It is *because* they have the same right, that we have to listen to both copies

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.03.2011 20:16 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At this point I am not sure that I agree with oneness of the mind. I have no certainty about this, *even* in the comp frame. The only quasi-certainty is that physics is a projection o