Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2011, at 18:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 20.03.2011 15:03 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 19.03.2011 20:16 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... As I have written, I rather

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2011 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Clearly qualia is a problem, have no idea how it could emerge. I can explain why universal machine have qualia. It comes from the self-reference logic. But only rich machine (the Löbian one), can talk and develop discourse about their qualia, and

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2011 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Clearly qualia is a problem, have no idea how it could emerge. I can explain why universal machine have qualia. It comes from the self-reference logic. But only rich machine (the Löbian one), can talk

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-22 Thread stephenk
On Mar 22, 1:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2011 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Clearly qualia is a problem, have no idea how it could emerge. I can explain why universal machine have qualia. It comes from the