On 27 Jul 2011, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:48 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
All known biology is Turing emulable.
The carbon atom is Turing emulable.
Since our biology is the only biology that we can know from the
inside, why would we assume that what we can emulate the interi
On Jul 28, 12:02 am, Jason Resch wrote:
> Say we made a youtube program that could be interviewed for years by your
> friends and family, people on this list, and so forth, and it could generate
> responses similar enough to what you would do and say in the same
> circumstance that no one could t
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Jul 27, 7:37 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Craig Weinberg
>> wrote:
>
>> But you must believe that your vision is normal, because the parts of
>> your brain responsible for formulating beliefs and
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:02 am, Jason Resch wrote:
>
> > Say we made a youtube program that could be interviewed for years by your
> > friends and family, people on this list, and so forth, and it could
> generate
> > responses similar enough to what
On Jul 28, 4:29 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> We do have abandoned vitalism in biology, and we don't have any reason
> to assume there is anything special in biology which would prevent
> other materials to have any similar role. We can assume that the heart
> is a biological pump, and nobody doubt
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Jul 28, 4:29 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> > We have made the big discovery of the universal digital machine, and
> > we do have good reason to find highly plausible that a brain is a
> > biological universal machine.
>
> I agree, but th
On 7/28/2011 12:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Craig Weinberg
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:29 am, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
> We have made the big discovery of the universal digital machine, and
> we do hav
On Jul 28, 11:23 am, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> > No, not at all. It's like saying that a copy machine would have to
> > understand Chinese to be able to copy all of the pages in all of the
> > books of a library in China.
>
> No it would not. C
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 7/28/2011 12:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 4:29 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>> > We have made the big discovery of the universal digital machine, and
>> > we d
On Jul 28, 12:27 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
> Materials don't have experiences, minds have experiences.
Minds are the experiences of neurological material. They aren't
freefloating mentalness.
I think you have
> taken reductionism to an extreme, and are trying to explain perceptions and
> thought
On Jul 28, 3:53 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
>One of Craig's main ideas is that things made of carbon can feel certain
>ways
Mais non! Being made of carbon isn't important in theory, it's having
the experience of a living organism with a nervous system that
dictates whether it can feel certain ways. If
Hi Jason,
Might I point out that making copies only applies when one has a
different position in space to put the copy, which presupposes space.
What if you don't have any space?
Onward!
Stephen
On 7/28/2011 3:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Jul 28, 11:23 am, Jason Resch wrote:
On Th
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:27 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
>
> > Materials don't have experiences, minds have experiences.
>
> Minds are the experiences of neurological material. They aren't
> freefloating mentalness.
>
> I think you have
> > taken reductioni
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Jul 28, 3:53 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
> >One of Craig's main ideas is that things made of carbon can feel certain
> >ways
>
> Mais non! Being made of carbon isn't important in theory, it's having
> the experience of a living organism with
On Jul 28, 10:55 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> > It's only you who is aware that they are questions. Your copy machine
> > is no different from any copy machine except that it generates a
> > recording of a different page than the one fed into i
On Jul 28, 11:16 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> > We are the living example of how material is important to perceptions.
> > A few hundred micrograms of LSD proves that that is the case.
>
> Are you suggesting that the LSD itself is what is havin
On Jul 28, 11:23 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
> What differences does the history of a life have to do with what you are
> experiencing now? If aliens created a human being from scratch just like
> you, and swapped you out while you were asleep, why would this physically
> identical copy of you behav
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