RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread chris peck
Hi Chris I also do not “KNOW” whether or not I really do have “free will”. But if I do not have “free will” evolution has seen fit to evolve a very expensive – in evolutionary terms – illusion of “free will... To argue that “free will”, “self-awareness”

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: while consciousness may just the data processing feels, there are obviously going to be different feelings about different data processing (e.g. hope, fear, lust,...) Yes. So I think the interesting question is which

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread Richard Ruquist
I also agree that the notions of free will and qualia are two different things. My best example of how qualia relates to consciousness is based on my dreams. I dream in images which I say are very close to uninhibited/unreprocessed consciousness. Very often these images are of people who speak to

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/9/5 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: while consciousness may just the data processing feels, there are obviously going to be different feelings about different data processing (e.g. hope, fear, lust,...) Yes. So

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things... So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I hated it there and wanted to get back home I would have complete and absolute free will, but if I ever

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2013 10:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things... So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I hated it there and wanted

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/9/5 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things... So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I hated it there and wanted to get back home I would have

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris peck Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:30 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? Hi Chris I also do not KNOW whether or not

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2013 8:34 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *chris peck *Sent:* Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:30 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: When will a computer pass the Turing