Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
And the democracy can derive into a totalitarian system very easily. There is no magical formal trick that avoid to derive a rule of the majority into a totalitatian dictatorship, as Godel demonstrated a few posts ago with the US constitution. That happened again and again. The nazi case is not

Re: Animals think like autistic humans

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 06:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Animals think like

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Neither the USSR was democratic neither democracy means freedom. I said to you that democracy is a bad name, a wildcard that each one fill with underserved and unjustified attirbuted, a symbol of freedom that does not deserve it. It is like If i insist to call alcoholism as the proper name for

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2015, at 21:01, Alberto G. Corona wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy First, a reference to wikipedia is everything but an argument. Second, it looks like the athenian democracy. I just said that this is not democracy in the modern sense of the word. From my

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Logical positivism in the hard form has been abandoned in favor of a dozen derivations, but it is a tactical withdrawal in order to protect the central dogmas: the antimetaphysical standpoint, the acritical adoration of science understood in the very narrow sense of today. The negation of innate

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2015, at 21:40, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Define telepathy, telekinesis, and remote viewing. No. Buy a dictionary, if you're still confused after that I'll try to help you out but first you'll need to define

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 07:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread zibblequibble
On Friday, January 2, 2015 9:30:24 PM UTC, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Indeed. Popper had a very naive conception of human nature. If error correction were the hallmark of democracy, then the keynessian economic measures used now to fight the crisis, that are so convenient for the ruling

RE: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:36 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Democracy On 31 Dec 2014, at 20:12, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 05:23, Jason Resch wrote: The selective replies to my post tells me all I need to know. Good point. John Clark systematically ignores the arguments, and his strategy consists in mocking excerpts taken out of context. Bruno Jason On Friday, January 2, 2015, John

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks Kim! On 03 Jan 2015, at 01:14, Kim Jones wrote: A brilliant passage by Bruno recently - may have been rendered a bit more clearly by the following redaction: Well, I have discussed this on FB in different groups. I got confirmation that strong atheists always use insults, jokes

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:36 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Democracy On 31

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote I thought Wikipedia was consistently wrong about everything and only used by shallow people like me. I go to Wikipedia quite a bit myself but Oh yes, I knew there would be a

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Bruno Marchal *Sent:*Thursday, January 01,

Carlos Castaneda

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
Here's a mystic who knew the purpose of religion. I well remember the adulation of Castaneda and how even otherwise sensible people thought his stories were true. Brent Forwarded Message PatrickHMoore posted: by BJW Nashe Carlos Castaneda’s journey from anthropology

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread Kim Jones
On 4 Jan 2015, at 2:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But this fearing of God is a mystery to me. God should be good. Only the devil should be feared. (between us). Is the devil not-God? Is it not that fear of the devil is the same as the fear of God (in some sense)? Who or

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread PGC
On Saturday, January 3, 2015 11:39:18 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: But that is how the word was used in the Hellenistic period; I was referring to modern usage that

Re: Animals think like autistic humans

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2015 9:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 06:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Kim Jones *Sent:*Wednesday, December 31,

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread zibblequibble
On Sunday, January 4, 2015 12:15:47 AM UTC, PGC wrote: On Saturday, January 3, 2015 11:39:18 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: But that is how the word was used in the

Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-03 Thread zibblequibble
In the first instance I'm posting this recently accepted paper (link is to full paper), for Bruno and Brent reference a recent discussion between them about the part of large scale religion in the emergence of ever-more complex society. Brent has me on ignore...I'm not sure about

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread zibblequibble
On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:29:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote I thought Wikipedia was consistently wrong about everything and only used by shallow people like me.

Re: Intelligence Consciousness

2015-01-03 Thread zibblequibble
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 7:33:16 AM UTC, zibble...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:20 AM, zibble...@gmail.com wrote: Something can be conscious but not intelligent, but if it's intelligent then it's

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2015 1:29 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote I thought Wikipedia was consistently wrong about everything and only used by

Re: Democracy

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2015 4:15 PM, PGC wrote: On Saturday, January 3, 2015 11:39:18 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: But that is how the word was used in the Hellenistic period; I was

Re: Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-03 Thread Kim Jones
Why would you recommend others read something you have not? You don't see that as being just a little strange? Anyway I read the paper. The authors' conclusion? That pro-social religion (which I understand to mean institutionalised religion is probably here to stay. They kind of just

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote I thought Wikipedia was consistently wrong about everything and

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 5:31 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy On 1/3/2015 1:29 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan

RE: Protein partially assembles another protein without genetic instructions

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Pretty cool piece of news.. kind of pushes the envelope of our grasp of living systems. It adds yet one more layer (upon layers) to the decisional machinery of cellular scale life. It is a pure protein executed process, occurring within a ribosome… no RNA/DNA instructions involved! From Ray

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Are only nouns part of the physical universe or are adjectives and adverbs part of it too? It is not quite relevant. Not quite relevant?! Is fast and a racing car both part of the physical universe? Is a brain and a

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:46 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: And the thought still cracks me up with laughter… imagine how wrong your carefully laid plans could go…. You set up this one way ticket to eternity… then, unfortunately you do not

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If that is the correct way to calculate EROI, and assuming you think the first law of thermodynamics is valid please explain how the EROI of ANYTHING is EVER greater than 1. Perhaps I shouldn't have made that assumption,

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:26 PM, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: jeez...you two are ripping eachother's balls off verbally. How did things get to this? Not I to caste stones in glass houses mind you. Then againI never / have never called anyone names like you two to oneanother here. Yeah

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 8:42 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:46 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:31 PM, meekerdb

RE: Carlos Castaneda

2015-01-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Here's a mystic who knew the purpose of religion. I well remember the adulation of Castaneda and how even otherwise sensible people thought his stories were true. Then there is….

Re: Carlos Castaneda

2015-01-03 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2015 9:50 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb Here's a mystic who knew the purpose of religion. I well remember the adulation of Castaneda and how even otherwise

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-03 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
In regard to: If nothing existed; would it remain nothing? This is exactly what I'm suggesting. It would not remain nothing. We usually think of the situation when you get rid of all matter, energy, space/volume, time, abstract concepts, minds, etc. as nothing. But, what I'm saying is that