Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/04/2016 2:53 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 18/04/2016 10:11 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Bruce Kellett < >> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrot

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 18/04/2016 5:00 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: On 18/04/2016 2:53 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: On 18/04/20

R: Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
Jesse wrote:I don't think this is how it's supposed to work for those who argue the MWI is local like Deutsch. Rather the idea is that "splitting" into worlds is local, not global; so one experimenter locally splits into copies that see |+> and |-> when they measure their particle, likewise the

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Apr 2016, at 09:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 18/04/2016 5:00 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/04/2016 2:53 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/04/2016 10:11 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sun,

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ > Unless there is some physical ionteraction tween local closely related > universes, its all bupkas, or cyhers, Its a breath taking concept in the > hug everett sense of things, but we

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 Bruce Kellett wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> So is there a way of knowing which of the 4 yous is you other than by >> observing what Alice and Bob are observing? I >> ​ >> f there is I can't imagine what it could be. > > > ​> ​ > There doesn't need to be. > ​If you want to know what

Re: Counterfactual Definiteness

2016-04-18 Thread John Mikes
Bruno et al: I think *"definiteness"* is always counterfactual since it *MUST* deny the potential influences from unknown factors (domains, a/effects, even some definitely counterfactual influences we do not recognize as such at all). It is a consequence of our agnostic view (as I recall: we agreed

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Another anology, King Canute of Britian ordering the tides not to come in. I am creepy guy who loves science, not just for the intellectual thrill, but, especially, what the hell good can it do us?? I always hold to that, unless the topic is so thrilling to me, that I get obsessed. Sometims,

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 19/04/2016 12:17 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2016, at 09:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: Let me reduce this to simple steps: 1) MWI is an interpretation of QM only. I.e., it reproduces all the results of QM without adding any additional structure or dynamics. What do you mean by QM? I am

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/04/2016 5:00 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 18/04/2016 2:53 pm, Jesse Mazer wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bruce Kellett < >> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
This is a foolish, but related question. It is, is there a means, in princple, to somehow data mine the minkowski light cone? Conceptually, its photons interacting with baryons of one sort or another, so ought now the photon patterns of interactions with the old Bohr model of particles? Its a q

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 19/04/2016 10:23 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: The local mathematical rule in this case, say for observer A, is that measurement on his own local particle with give either |+> or |->, with equal pr

Re: Non-locality and MWI

2016-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
?? Every time you perceive something visually you've mined data from your light cone. Brent On 4/18/2016 8:29 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: This is a foolish, but related question. It is, is there a means, in princple, to somehow data mine the minkowski light cone? Conceptually, i