R: Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

>Messaggio originale >Da: "Bruce Kellett" >Data: 04/08/2016 4.13 >A: >Ogg: Re: If you win the lottery, dont expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire > >On 4/08/2016 11:59 am, smitra wrote: >> On 04-08-2016

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: > > > >However, we are being asked to consider two conscious states where the > >conscious state differs by at least one bit - the W/M bit. Clearly, by the YD > >assumption, both states

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 4 August 2016 at 11:16, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/3/2016 5:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 3 August 2016 at 16:02, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/2/2016 10:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 3 August

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: However, we are being asked to consider two conscious states where the conscious state differs by at least one bit - the W/M bit.

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: However, we are being asked to consider two conscious states where the conscious state differs

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/4/2016 2:51 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: However, we are being asked to consider two

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 21:01, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 6:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: It's not that it can't, but rather that it doesn't, and if it does then that would require some extra

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 03 Aug 2016, at 21:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > >> >> On 8/3/2016 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 02 Aug 2016, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 8/2/2016 6:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

2016-08-04 19:20 GMT+02:00 smitra : > On 04-08-2016 03:05, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 8/3/2016 4:30 PM, smitra wrote: >> >>> On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5/08/2016 1:28 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:51 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: However,

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/4/2016 12:45 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 21:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 10:15 AM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 05:48, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5 August 2016 at 04:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/4/2016 2:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > The problem with (3) is a general problem with multiverses. A single, > infinite universe is an example of a multiverse theory, since there will be > infinite copies of

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/4/2016 7:40 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 August 2016 at 04:01, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problem with (3) is a general problem with multiverses. A single,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5/08/2016 3:41 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2016, at 04:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: You use the assumption that the duplicated consciousnesses automatically differentiate when receiving different

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 05:48, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be a winning number and you will have a ticket that will have this number on it or not, regardless of whether you forget

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

A few years ago on this list I made a modest proposal, it's a low tech way to test the Many World's interpretation of Quantum Mechanics and as a bonus it'll make you rich too. First you buy one Powerball lottery ticket, the drawing of the winning number is on Saturday at 11pm, now make a simple

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/4/2016 10:15 AM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 05:48, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be a winning number and you will have a ticket that will have this number on it

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 21:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 10:15 AM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 05:48, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be a winning number and you will have a

Re: Step 4? (Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Marchal wrote: > > ​> ​ >> The question is not about duplication. > > > ​OK.​ > > > ​And that part is still OK. Assigning probabilities about what "YOU" will see next is not ambiguous as long as "YOU" duplicating machine are not around. ​> ​ >

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/4/2016 10:20 AM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 03:05, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/4/2016 2:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 August 2016 at 11:16, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/3/2016 5:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 3 August 2016 at 16:02, Brent Meeker

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 04:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 11:59 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 9:30 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 04 Aug 2016, at 03:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 5:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 3 August 2016 at 16:02, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 10:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04 Aug 2016, at 05:48, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be a winning number and you will have a ticket that will have this number on it or not, regardless of

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 03:05, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 04 Aug 2016, at 04:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 2:55 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 14:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 2/08/2016 3:07 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Aug 2016, at

Step 4? (Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 19:20, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​The question is not about duplication. ​OK.​ ​> ​Do you agree that if today, someone is "sure" that tomorrow (or any precise time later) he will be uncertain of an