Re: Step 4? (Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On 04 Aug 2016, at 19:53, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Marchal wrote: ​> ​The question is not about duplication. ​OK.​ ​And that part is still OK. Assigning probabilities about what "YOU" will see next is not ambiguous as long as "YOU" duplicating machine are not

Re: Step 4? (Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On 04 Aug 2016, at 19:53, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Marchal wrote: ​> ​The question is not about duplication. ​OK.​ ​And that part is still OK. Assigning probabilities about what "YOU" will see next is not ambiguous as long as "YOU" duplicating machine are not

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 04:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 3:41 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2016, at 04:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: You use the assumption that the duplicated consciousnesses a

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 06:27, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 7:40 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 August 2016 at 04:01, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problem with (3) is a general problem with multiverses. A single, infinite universe is an e

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5/08/2016 6:12 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 04:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 3:41 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2016, at 04:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: You use the assumption

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 00:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 1:28 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:51 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 00:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 1:28 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:51 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:2

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

This bet is akin to believing that there are super civilizations in the galaxy, but we don't know they exist. Could be, but, meh! -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 2:02 pm Subject: Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest o

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 5/08/2016 10:11 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Just tell me if you are OK with question 1. The Helsinki guy is told that BOTH copies will have a hot drink after the reconstitutions, in both Moscow and Washington. Do you agree that the Helsinki guy (a be

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 15:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 10:11 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Just tell me if you are OK with question 1. The Helsinki guy is told that BOTH copies will have a hot drink after the reconstitutions, in both Moscow and W

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 13:23, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 6:12 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 04:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 3:41 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2016, at 04:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 0

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Aug 2016, at 15:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 5/08/2016 10:11 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Just tell me if you are OK with question 1. The Helsinki guy is told that BOTH cop

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 05 Aug 2016, at 14:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 00:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/08/2016 1:28 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:51 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 6:00 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 5:52 pm, Rus

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/5/2016 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 06:27, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/4/2016 7:40 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 August 2016 at 04:01, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/4/2016 2:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problem

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/5/2016 4:23 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: We can associate a mind to a body, but the mind itself (the 1p) can be (and must be) associated with many different bodies, in the physical universe and later in arithmetic. You seem to accept my point -- there is still only one mind even after diff

​Computationalism​

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > Keep well in mind that I am not arguing for or against computationalism. I > assume it, and study the consequences. ​No, y ou're assuming at the very start that Computationalism is false and then going on from there. Computationalism

Re: Step 4? (Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >>> ​>>>​> >>> Assigning probabilities about what "YOU" will see next is not ambiguous >>> as long as "YOU" duplicating machine are not around. >> >> >> ​> >>> ​>>​ >>> ​ >>> So, you are OK that the guy in Helsinki write P("drinking coffee")

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 6/08/2016 12:58 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 13:23, Bruce Kellett wrote He writes in the diaries what he sees: it is just a matter of the protocol whether he writes the name of the city in which each diary is located in that particular diary, or if he writes in both diaries

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 6/08/2016 2:36 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2016, at 14:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: The difficulty is with your assumption that differentiation into two persons is inevitable. It is not an assumption. With the protocol and the hypothesis, the diaries have differentiated. Diaries are