Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:41:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/9/2018 9:18 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 6:45:55 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/9/2018 11:01 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >>> If you reject intelligent behavior as a

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > >>My theory is that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being >> processed and that is a brute fact, meaning it terminates a chain of "why >> is that?" questions. > > > > * > It has to be something more specific than that.

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:10:57 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:45 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >One could look at it that way. In terms of biological evolution, what >> has turned out to be intelligent beings (us!) are also conscious beings. > > > Yes

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:15 AM Philip Thrift wrote: *>As a practical matter, a conscious robot raises ethical issues that an > intelligent robot doesn't, Killing a phenomenal self-aware being could be > murder.* > But the ethical question of killing a super intelligent robot is moot because

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:45 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >One could look at it that way. In terms of biological evolution, what has > turned out to be intelligent beings (us!) are also conscious beings. Yes but ask yourself why would Evolution do that. Natural Selection can see intelligence but

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:50:44 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/9/2018 9:45 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:54 PM Pierz wrote: >> >> >*I refuse to accept that "axiom", and I also

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:16:59 PM UTC+11, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:54 PM Pierz > > wrote: > > >*I refuse to accept that "axiom", and I also do not feel compelled to >> embrace solipsism.* >> > > You are able to function is the world so you must have some

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-10 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:41:39 PM UTC+11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:41:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/9/2018 9:18 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 6:45:55 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On