Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-05-08 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:57 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 Apr 2019, at 02:50, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 03:32, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
So you can will yourself to experience new qualia? Brent On 5/8/2019 2:06 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Of course. Decisions which are taken using free will. On Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:01:42 UTC+3, Brent wrote: Rationality is a property of decision processes. -- You

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-08 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/5/2019 7:06 PM, smitra wrote: Or perhaps it's a mistake to attribute consciousness to particular physical systems. Instead of saying that this computer or that brain is or isn't  conscious, we could postulate that there exists (in some sense) consciousness, and that consciousness can

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

2019-05-08 Thread PGC
On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 11:58:29 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/6/2019 3:51 AM, PGC wrote: > > Now, if we could just formalize aesthetics: what makes a theorem > > interesting or sexy as fuck? > > We could train an ANN to have the same aesthetics as the NYT art > critic. :-) > > NYT

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Since evolution is the evolution of consciousness, I wasn't programmed, but consciousness by itself solved new and never before seen problems without anyone telling her what to do. On Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:06:39 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > They are programmed in specific ways for

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/8/2019 12:55 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Since evolution is the evolution of consciousness, I wasn't programmed, but consciousness by itself solved new and never before seen problems without anyone telling her what to do. By random variation with selection. Brent

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
No. By rationality. On Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:06:34 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > By random variation with selection. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-08 Thread PGC
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 12:18:49 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:00:15 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019, at 22:00, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>

Re: for Cosmin

2019-05-08 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Why are you idealist ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
Rationality is a property of decision processes. Brent On 5/8/2019 1:26 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: No. By rationality. On Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:06:34 UTC+3, Brent wrote: By random variation with selection. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: The religion of AI

2019-05-08 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Of course. Decisions which are taken using free will. On Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:01:42 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Rationality is a property of decision processes. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: for Cosmin

2019-05-08 Thread Terren Suydam
For me it boils down to that a theory of everything in which all possible worlds exist is more plausible than one in which only world does. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:53 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Why are you idealist ? > > -- > You received

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-08 Thread smitra
Or perhaps it's a mistake to attribute consciousness to particular physical systems. Instead of saying that this computer or that brain is or isn't conscious, we could postulate that there exists (in some sense) consciousness, and that consciousness can find itself in some location, and where

A category theory of qualia space

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Thrift
*Qualia Space and Category Theory* https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281238031_QUALIA_SPACE_AND_CATEGORY_THEORY Conscious experiences are characteristically qualitative. The difference between, for example, the black color and the bitter taste of coffee is not one of quantity but that

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 6, 2019, at 22:00, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >>> 1. The world is rational. 2. Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through certain

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

2019-05-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 May 2019, at 21:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/5/2019 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 May 2019, at 01:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/2/2019 8:52 AM,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:00:15 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019, at 22:00, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > 1. The world is rational. > 2.

Re: Smullyan paradox about belief

2019-05-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 May 2019, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Thanks for the interesting reply. You are welcome. > This is the piece my friend was thinking of: > > https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html > >

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

2019-05-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux >> > wrote: >>> >>> Pleasure for the all loving god to have creatures to torture ? >>> >>>

Re: Smullyan paradox about belief

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 May 2019, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > Thanks for the interesting reply. > > > You are welcome. > > > > This is the piece my friend was thinking of: > >

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

2019-05-08 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/8/2019 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: Pleasure for

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 1:41:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/8/2019 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 May 2019, at