On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 12:18:49 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:00:15 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019, at 22:00, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> 1. The world is rational. >> 2. Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through >> certain techniques). >> *3. There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also >> art, etc.).* >> *4. There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher >> kind.* >> 5. The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live >> or have lived. >> 6. There is incomparably more knowable a priori than is currently known. >> 7. The development of human thought since the Renaissance is thoroughly >> intelligible (durchaus einsichtige). >> 8. Reason in mankind will be developed in every direction. >> 9. Formal rights comprise a real science. >> *10. Materialism is false.* >> *11. The higher beings are connected to the others by analogy, not by >> composition.* >> 12. Concepts have an objective existence. >> 13. There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals >> with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly >> fruitful for science. >> 14. Religions are, for the most part, bad– but religion is not. >> >> >> Reads like a lot of assertion based on wishful thinking. >> >> Brent >> >> >> (Emphasis mine) >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> On the 14 theses above, I would assert their anti-thesis. >> >> >> So you believe, for example, that 1 + 1 = 2 is subjective? (concepts do >> not have an objective existence)? >> > > > > It's just a heuristic rule. It worked just now on my little Casio > calculator on my desk. I have no absolute God-is-in-His-Heaven faith in > what it will do tomorrow. > > > > >> >> Or that religions are, for the most part, good, -- but religion is not? >> > > > Absurdism [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism ] is the only "true" > religion. > > > >> Or that human reason cannot be developed more highly? You were born at >> the pinnacle or rationality? >> > > > How did Trump get elected? > > > >> >> Or that we know most things there are to know? You were born at the >> pinnacle of knowledge? Seems like an awful coincidence... >> > > > I just wish I had the knowledge of that new champion on Jeopardy! > > > >> >> Or that the world is irrational? This one should lead you to reject >> science right now and stop wasting time with debating... >> > > > I can only do my best dissolving people's delusions (which have their > origin in *Platonism*). If they still have them, that's not my problem. > > Everybody needs a bit of delusion, some degree of self-deception because without it, not a single role/function/job could be lived. Not even in an assumed solipsistic setting. I'm not sure anybody can make the call how much of that is ok. We have conventions that to be totally wrapped in somebody else's trip without some possible exit is unpalatable, slavery, torture, employment, marriage lol etc. Then again being trapped becomes the exact feature of some sexual fantasies that some folks wouldn't trade for anything else.
But dissolving the platonist's delusion while our own goes full dissolution hero/jesus evens things out. Delusions themselves are inescapable but their fangs can be tamed a bit by friendship. The German and the French fought wars for centuries, with recent history's pause granted apparently by sharing resources, weapons manufacture and deepening commitment towards each other. Yes, it's a propaganda song of sorts and we can all twist things to make me wrong, but like some Habsburg said: "Why fight wars when we can simply marry?" Then the other side has to worry about kitchen, money, weapons, children too. lol PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5fe15679-950a-45b5-9a88-ff15663a0006%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
