Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

It is just a form of matrix majorization. The total energy is E = sum_n p_nE_n prior to each splitting and after. The observer who finds an outcome E_i is in a sense frame dragged along a geodesic direction in the Fubini-Study metric corresponding to p_i = |ψ_i|^2. This means from the

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:36 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Of course. It is well known that global energy is not conserved in a > non-static universe; where there is no time-like Killing vector field. But > that was not the issue I was addressing. Energy is conserved locally, even > in GR with a

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 11/27/2019 4:27 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:32 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 11/26/2019 7:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > A standard objection to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum >

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 11/27/2019 3:15 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: It is just a form of matrix majorization. The total energy is E = sum_n p_nE_n prior to each splitting and after. The observer who finds an outcome E_i is in a sense frame dragged along a geodesic direction in the Fubini-Study metric

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:51:55 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> I think your*

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:51:55 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> I think your* [Brent Meeker] *point about other conservation laws is >>> interesting -- especially

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 11/27/2019 6:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 11/27/2019 4:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz mailto:pier...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 5:19 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/27/2019 6:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 11/27/2019 4:05

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz wrote: > On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> I think your* [Brent Meeker] *point about other

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 11/27/2019 4:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz > wrote: On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:27:39 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:36 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> Of course. It is well known that global energy is not conserved in a >> non-static universe; where there is no time-like Killing vector field. But >> that was

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> I think your* [Brent Meeker] *point about other conservation laws is >> interesting -- especially charge. How would you divide the charge of a >> state among the superposed basis

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:39 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:51:55 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> I

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> I think your* [Brent Meeker] *point about other conservation laws is >>> interesting -- especially

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:46 AM Pierz wrote: > On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 11:05:29 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/27/2019 4:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Thu,

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> I think your* [Brent Meeker] *point about other conservation laws is > interesting -- especially charge. How would you divide the charge of a > state among the superposed basis states according to the Born rule and get > charge conservation

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 11:05:29 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM Pierz > > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 9:51:55 AM UTC+11, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 8:48 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/27/2019 4:27 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > I don't think you have seen the point I am trying to make. > > > I don't think I do either. > After overnight reflection I am no longer

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 2:36:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/27/2019 3:15 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > It is just a form of matrix majorization. The total energy is E = sum_n > p_nE_n prior to each splitting and after. The observer who finds an outcome > E_i is in a sense

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:46:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:39 AM Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:51:55 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >>>

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Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 1:37 AM 'scerir' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > *It seems to me that the best one can do is say that energy is conserved > in each branch, even over splitting. * That can't be right because we've know since 1998 that energy is not

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:32 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/26/2019 7:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > A standard objection to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum > > mechanics concerns energy conservation. When the universe splits on

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'scerir' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > It seems to me that the best one can do is say that energy is conserved in > each branch, even over splitting. That is, after all, what is observed. > Consequently, the energy of the

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:13 PM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 1:37 AM 'scerir' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> > > *It seems to me that the best one can do is say that energy is >> conserved in each branch, even over splitting. * > > > That