FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online]: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-10 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? [Philip Benjamin] There are many flippant notions of "spirituality" thoughtlessly promoted by WAMP-the-Ingrate; but physical, metaphysical,

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-10 Thread Samiya Illias
... if you slip https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/01/if-you-slip.html Muhammad's letters to the heads of state https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_letters_to_the_heads_of_state > On 10-May-2022, at 2:19 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > >  > I agree with

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread smitra
On 11-05-2022 06:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:56 PM smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: That still treats the SE as indubitally true. No theory in physics is 'indubitably true'. The Everett program is to say that the SE is all that there is --

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/10/2022 9:43 PM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 06:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:51 PM smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: Such models are certainly inconsistent with the SE. So if your concern is that the SE does not contain provision for a

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/10/2022 9:47 PM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 06:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:56 PM smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: That still treats the SE as indubitally true. No theory in physics is 'indubitably true'. The Everett program is to

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread smitra
On 11-05-2022 06:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:51 PM smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: Such models are certainly inconsistent with the SE. So if your concern is that the SE does not contain provision for a collapse, then you should doubt other

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:16 PM smitra wrote: > On 11-05-2022 06:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:51 PM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >>> > >>> Such models are certainly inconsistent with the SE. So if your concern > >>> is that the SE

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/10/2022 8:17 PM, smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:37 AM smitra wrote: On 08-05-2022 05:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: It is when you take the SE to imply that all possible outcomes exist on each trial. That gives all outcomes equal

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/10/2022 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:52 AM smitra wrote: On 08-05-2022 06:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:21 AM smitra wrote: The issues with branches etc. are likely just artifacts with making

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:11 PM smitra wrote: > On 11-05-2022 06:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:56 PM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> > >>> That still treats the SE as indubitally true. No theory in physics is > >>> 'indubitably

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread smitra
On 09-05-2022 01:00, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/8/2022 1:50 PM, smitra wrote: On 08-05-2022 06:03, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/7/2022 6:21 PM, smitra wrote: On 05-05-2022 00:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/4/2022 12:27 PM, smitra wrote: In fact, that idea introduces a raft of problems of its own --

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread smitra
On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:37 AM smitra wrote: On 08-05-2022 05:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: It is when you take the SE to imply that all possible outcomes exist on each trial. That gives all outcomes equal status. All outcomes can exist without these

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread smitra
On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:52 AM smitra wrote: On 08-05-2022 06:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:21 AM smitra wrote: The issues with branches etc. are likely just artifacts with making hidden assumptions about branches. At the

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:56 PM smitra wrote: > On 09-05-2022 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > That still treats the SE as indubitally true. No theory in physics is > > 'indubitably true'. > > > > The Everett program is to say that the SE is all that there is -- it > > explains everything. That

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:51 PM smitra wrote: > On 09-05-2022 00:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > > Such models are certainly inconsistent with the SE. So if your concern > > is that the SE does not contain provision for a collapse, then you > > should doubt other theories that violate the SE. You