Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
g/pdf/0812.1290 Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi Stephen, On 08 Apr 2011, at 00:25, Stephen Paul King wrote: Thus wisdom is a measure of how much one knows that one does not know. Absol

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, I found what I have been looking for: arxiv.org/pdf/0812.1290 Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi Stephen, On 08 Apr 2011, at 00:25, Stephen Paul King wrote: Thus

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
day, Bruno Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement, that you were just doing for a second time, despite I thought having already

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Apr 2011, at 06:55, meekerdb wrote: On 4/7/2011 9:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement, that you were just doing for a second time, despite I thought having already insisted on the point. I am sorry because it is not completely

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
No problem John. Thanks for your kind reply. Best, Bruno On 07 Apr 2011, at 21:56, John Mikes wrote: Hello, Bruno, and thanks for your reply. I am sorry for an interjected remark-sentence quite out of context in a topic it does not belong at all. Especially since it was mal- chosen and mal-

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread meekerdb
On 4/7/2011 9:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement, that you were just doing for a second time, despite I thought having already insisted on the point. I am sorry because it is not completely in the topic: On 07 Apr 2011, at 17:42, Joh

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Thus wisdom is a measure of how much one knows that one does not know. Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread John Mikes
Hello, Bruno, and thanks for your reply. I am sorry for an interjected remark-sentence quite out of context in a topic it does not belong at all. Especially since it was mal-chosen and mal-formulated. I enjoyed your teaching about the UM etc., I could use it. I am presently mentally anchored in my

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement, that you were just doing for a second time, despite I thought having already insisted on the point. I am sorry because it is not completely in the topic: On 07 Apr 2011, at 17:42, John Mikes wrote: Thanks, Brent, - howeve

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Brent, - however: I did not restrict myself to physics (lest: 'fundamental') and had a shorthand-typo in my text: - - - (=cause) - - - which indeed means: "a change, effected by - what we call: a cause". I was referring to our (conventional) system looking only inside the 'model'

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-06 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > In fundamental physics where evolution is time-symmetric, the distinction > between cause and effect is just an arbitrary choice.  In more practical > terms cause usually refers to some part of a process we could chose to > control.  If a cable b

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-06 Thread meekerdb
On 4/6/2011 2:06 PM, John Mikes wrote: The exchange between SPK and Bruno is hard to personalize, there is am unmarked paragraph after a par marked "... so I was in doubt whether it is Bruno, or Stephen who wrote: /"His use of the word "causation" is unfortunate but we can forgive him becau

1P-causality

2011-04-06 Thread John Mikes
The exchange between SPK and Bruno is hard to personalize, there is am unmarked paragraph after a par marked "... so I was in doubt whether it is Bruno, or Stephen who wrote: *"His use of the word "causation" is unfortunate but we can forgive him because there is no correct word for the