Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 10, 2:34 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 1:52 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I agree that there is in a sense something mysterious about consciousness, but I think that assembling a human being out of the appropriate chemicals would necessarily reproduce this mysterious element as well. I also believe that a human with a computer analogue of a brain would be conscious,

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 11-mars-07, à 09:40, Tom Caylor wrote in part: Getting back to the plenitude, it seems that the many-worlds interpretation takes bottom-up to the extreme and says, OK we can't figure out how the good stuff happens, so let's just say that everything happens. So this is supposed to take

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 1:52 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 04:59, Tom Caylor a écrit : Modern science is only in the left side of the brain of humanity. Unlike greek science, if you look carefully. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

Re: [SPAM] Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Mark Peaty
Tom, is it not a simple fact, surely, that *meaning*, for a creature with the wherewithal to worry about it, is fundamentally the recognition of relationships amongst the creatures and things perceived in the world, including oneself, and relating these to oneself? Regards Mark Peaty

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-09 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 7, 1:52 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory argument, most of the stuff in the Plenitude is useless

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory argument, most of the stuff in the Plenitude is useless junk. *Someone* (somebody bigger that you or I ;) has to decide what

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-06 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 5, 4:52 pm, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/6/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 4:54 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 02:55:40PM -0800, Tom Caylor wrote: You seem to be saying there are only two options. Either God IS the plenitude (i.e. the set of all possible universes, leaving aside the meaning of possible for now), or God is in charge of (but not IS) only part of the plenitude.

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-06 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 6, 6:07 am, Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 02:55:40PM -0800, Tom Caylor wrote: You seem to be saying there are only two options. Either God IS the plenitude (i.e. the set of all possible universes, leaving aside the meaning of possible for now),

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:54:44PM -0800, Tom Caylor wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory argument, most of the stuff in the Plenitude is useless junk. *Someone* (somebody bigger that you or I ;) has

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-05 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 2, 4:54 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking its symmetry of meaningless whiteness/blackness and

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-05 Thread Tom Caylor
On Mar 2, 9:11 am, 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Mar, 11:54, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking its

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/6/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 4:54 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-05 Thread Jason
On Mar 5, 4:41 pm, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 4:54 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude,

God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking its symmetry of meaningless whiteness/blackness and bringing order. He basically would be in charge of the evolution of

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-02 Thread 1Z
On 2 Mar, 11:54, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking its symmetry of meaningless whiteness/blackness and