Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juin-05, à 19:45, Lee Corbin a écrit : Bruno provides the exercise I notice that many people seek refuge in the no-copying theorem of QM. Exercise: 1) Show by a qualitative informal reasoning that if we are Turing emulable then a no-cloning theorem is a necessity. My best guess

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-juin-05, à 06:20, Lee Corbin a écrit : [Stephen:] What if I, or any one else's 1st person aspect, can not be copied? If the operation of copying is impossible, what is the status of all of these thought experiments? I notice that many people seek refuge in the no-copying theorem of

Re: Existence of Copies (was RE: Functionalism and People as Programs)

2005-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juin-05, à 01:04, Lee Corbin a écrit : This is the central problem from those who are deeply concerned as to *why* 1st person experiences exist. Too bad that to me, it's just obvious that they must. I literally cannot conceive of how it could be different! (Poor me, I suppose---in

RE: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-05 Thread Lee Corbin
Bruno provides the exercise I notice that many people seek refuge in the no-copying theorem of QM. Exercise: 1) Show by a qualitative informal reasoning that if we are Turing emulable then a no-cloning theorem is a necessity. My best guess right now? Your challenge would be a futile

RE: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-04 Thread Lee Corbin
R. Miller writes Lee Corbin wrote: Stephen writes I really do not want to be a stick-in-the-mud here, but what do we base the idea that copies could exist upon? It is a conjecture called functionalism (or one of its close variants). Functionalism, at least, in the social

RE: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-04 Thread rmiller
At 12:36 PM 6/4/2005, Lee Corbin wrote: R. Miller writes Lee Corbin wrote: Exposure to a nuclear detonation at 4000 yds typically kills about 1 in a million cells. When that happens, you die. I would suggest that is a bad metaphor. Well, my numbers, above, are *entirely* different

Existence of Copies (was RE: Functionalism and People as Programs)

2005-06-04 Thread Lee Corbin
Stephen writes Stephen writes I really do not want to be a stick-in-the-mud here, but what do we base the idea that copies could exist upon? Don't worry about not going along with someone's program ;-) I think that you're just being polite by calling yourself a stick-in-the-mud. Why,

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Lee, - Original Message - From: Lee Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EverythingList everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Functionalism and People as Programs Stephen writes I really do not want to be a stick-in-the-mud here, but what do we

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
R. Miller writes (quoting Lee Corbin): If someone can teleport me back and forth from work to home, I'll be happy to go along even if 1 atom in every thousand cells of mine doesn't get copied. Exposure to a nuclear detonation at 4000 yds typically kills about 1 in a million cells. When that

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-03 Thread rmiller
At 10:58 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: R. Miller writes (quoting Lee Corbin): If someone can teleport me back and forth from work to home, I'll be happy to go along even if 1 atom in every thousand cells of mine doesn't get copied. Exposure to a nuclear detonation at 4000 yds typically kills

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-02 Thread rmiller
At 11:20 PM 6/2/2005, Lee Corbin wrote: Stephen writes I really do not want to be a stick-in-the-mud here, but what do we base the idea that copies could exist upon? It is a conjecture called functionalism (or one of its close variants). Functionalism, at least, in the social