Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-23 Thread John Mikes
Marc, it is easy: the buttler did it. Whatever startles us IS done by evolution, what indeed does/did not do anything. It is a backwards observation and its wishful explanation within the knowledge-base already established. In contrast: Einstein is not the 1:1 synthesis of his parents, nor are you

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread silky
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 22, 11:53 pm, "John Mikes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marc, > > Your closing line is appreciated. > > Yet: I still cannot get it: how can you include into an algorithm > > those features that had not yet been discovered? Loo

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 22, 11:53 pm, "John Mikes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc, > Your closing line is appreciated. > Yet: I still cannot get it: how can you include into an algorithm > those features that had not yet been discovered? Look at it > historically: if you composed such compendium 3000 yeas ago

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread Colin Hales
Of course you are rightless than perfect but ... survival-positive, at least for now. The criteria for our 'upgrade'? Time will tell. RE: my project...I am alone. University of Melbourne...dept of electrical engineering (NICTA) I am doing a PhD investigating what I call "/a novel backpropag

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread silky
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Invent an inorganic 'us'? A faulty, defunct evolutionary mistake? Nah! But that's my point; we aren't a "mistake" we are merely an invention of our previous selves. > ... do you remember one of the Alien series of movies

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread Colin Hales
Invent an inorganic 'us'? A faulty, defunct evolutionary mistake? Nah! ... do you remember one of the Alien series of movies...? I've forgotten which one... maybe the third? Ripley's group had a robot in it - played by Winona Ryder. She/Ver/It was a survivor of a 'product recall'... of a new ge

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread John Mikes
Marc, Your closing line is appreciated. Yet: I still cannot get it: how can you include into an algorithm those features that had not yet been discovered? Look at it historically: if you composed such compendium 3000 yeas ago would you have included 'blank potential' unfilled algorithm for those a

Re: Artificial Intelligence may be far easier than generally thought

2008-09-22 Thread silky
It's quite obvious to me that at one point humans will take AI so far that they will end up inventing ourselves. That will be an amusing day. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let the algorithm that represents the brain of a typical new-born baby > be denoted as B1