Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Jan 2011, at 11:31, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 09:31:23PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: My point is only that IF we accept digital mechanism THEN the *appearance* of movement is an inside, first person, construction, due to the gap between what a machine (number) can

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 09:31:23PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > My point is only that IF we accept digital mechanism THEN the > *appearance* of movement is an inside, first person, construction, > due to the gap between what a machine (number) can prove and what is > true. > It is interesting

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 23 Jan 2011, at 18:20, John Mikes wrote: Right on and Onward - Stephen, that is my point as well. Our thinking loop is closed "inside" our mind. On another list (psich etc. mainly) they babble about 'wave as the FORM of energy etc. and I asked the big question I have asked man

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi John, Umm, maybe the mind is like a Moebius strip? I would very much like to read your paper! Got a link? Onward! Stephen From: John Mikes Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:20 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011 Right on and Onward

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-23 Thread John Mikes
Right on and Onward - Stephen, that is my point as well. Our thinking loop is closed "inside" our mind. On another list (psich etc. mainly) they babble about '*wave* as the FORM of energy etc. and I asked the big question I have asked many physicists (and the best answer was: "Good question") WHAT

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Nice to hear from you John, I hope you will feel well. Happy 2011! Bruno On 22 Jan 2011, at 14:19, John Mikes wrote: (Including Stephens initiation of course). After some time spent enjoying 2 heart attacks in 2010 I returned to the computer and found similar discussions to the earlier ones

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-22 Thread Colin Hales
Hi John, Sorry to hear about your 2010. I hope that 2011 allows your flavour of feist to resume here on 'everything'. I am at the very end of my PhD writeup and have been more flaky than usual here. I was amused to see that I appeared to be advocating any sort of XYXism or to be an 'XYZist'.

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi John! "No outside view" That is the point that I was trying to make from the start. This is why I keep repeating that Numerical Idealism is an insufficient theory of everything; there cannot be an "outside" that acts to distinguish numbers from each other! An interesting discussion o

Re: Bruno-Colin-dicussion Jan-2011

2011-01-22 Thread David Nyman
John Good to see you back - I wish you better health in 2011. David On 22 January 2011 13:19, John Mikes wrote: > (Including Stephens initiation of course). > After some time spent enjoying 2 heart attacks in 2010 I returned to > the computer and found similar discussions to the earlier ones. >