Re: Counterfactual Definiteness

2016-04-18 Thread John Mikes
Bruno et al: I think *"definiteness"* is always counterfactual since it *MUST* deny the potential influences from unknown factors (domains, a/effects, even some definitely counterfactual influences we do not recognize as such at all). It is a consequence of our agnostic view (as I recall: we

Re: Counterfactual Definiteness

2016-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Apr 2016, at 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/04/2016 12:20 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Apr 2016, at 14:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: It is interesting that you have not answered my question about what exactly you mean by 'counterfactual definiteness' so that we know what you mean

RE: Counterfactual?

2006-09-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: Physical determinism is the idea that the future is genrated form the persent by rigid physical laws. As opposed to the idea that the future is fixed becasue it is already there, like the end of a movie which is already in the can , and need not bear any logical

RE: Counterfactual?

2006-09-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: But is there any sense in which we as humans are any more free than billiard balls or dice beyond the fact that we *feel* we are free? There may be. For instance, freedom might be a combination of indeterminism and rational self-control. I have a strong feeling

Re: Counterfactual?

2006-09-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 31-août-06, à 12:59, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : But is there any sense in which we as humans are any more free than billiard balls or dice beyond the fact that we *feel* we are free? I have a strong feeling that my free will is not randomness and not determinism: is there

RE: Counterfactual?

2006-08-31 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: John Mikes writes: Peter: ... A counterfactual is a COUNTERfactual - -it is something that could have happenned but didn't. There is no reason why we should be conscious of in things we coudl have done but didn't. ... JM:

Re: Counterfactual?

2006-08-31 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Peter Jones writes: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: John Mikes writes: Peter: ... A counterfactual is a COUNTERfactual - -it is something that could have happenned but didn't. There is no reason why we should be conscious of in things we coudl

RE: Counterfactual?

2006-08-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: Peter: ... A counterfactual is a COUNTERfactual - -it is something that could have happenned but didn't. There is no reason why we should be conscious of in things we coudl have done but didn't. ... JM: It could not have happened in another way if it did happen THIS

Re: Counterfactual?

2006-08-30 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: John Mikes writes: Peter: ... A counterfactual is a COUNTERfactual - -it is something that could have happenned but didn't. There is no reason why we should be conscious of in things we coudl have done but didn't. ... JM: It could not have happened

Re: Counterfactual?

2006-08-30 Thread John M
Peter: There is a clash of concepts - as I feel. I do not 'read' what physical has to do in the fact of 'determinism': if determinism is not (deemed) as 'physical', it does not determin? Laws (physical?) do not determin anything. Explain: yes or oppose to. The deductions of the majority of the

Re: Counterfactual?

2006-08-30 Thread 1Z
John M wrote: Peter: There is a clash of concepts - as I feel. I do not 'read' what physical has to do in the fact of 'determinism': if determinism is not (deemed) as 'physical', it does not determin? Physical determinism is the idea that the future is genrated form the persent by rigid