Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers inAIordescribing life

2012-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:47, Roger wrote:


Hi Bruno Marchal

You say, "a non living computer can supported a living self- 
developing life form"


Do you mean support instead of supported ? Or what do you mean ?


I mean "support". Sorry.
I meant that some fixed hardware computer can emulate a virtual self- 
modifying version of itself, so that your point is not valid.
If not you introduce a notion of living matter leading to an infinite  
regression. It might have a solution, but it beg the question of comp/ 
non-comp, and you are just saying (without arguing) that machines  
cannot think, and that souls are substantial actual infinities.


Bruno






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On 11 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger wrote:


Hi Russell Standish

When I "gave in" to the AI point of view that computers can posess  
intelligence,
I had overlooked the world of experience, which is not  
quantitative. Only

living things can experience the world.



You are right. But a non living computer can supported a living self- 
developing life form, unless you postulate that infinitely complex  
substances are at play in the mind.


Bruno

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Re: Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers inAIordescribing life

2012-08-14 Thread Roger
Hi Bruno Marchal 

You say, "a non living computer can supported a living self-developing life 
form"

Do you mean support instead of supported ? Or what do you mean ?


Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
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inAIordescribing life




On 11 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger wrote:


Hi Russell Standish 

When I "gave in" to the AI point of view that computers can posess intelligence,
I had overlooked the world of experience, which is not quantitative. Only
living things can experience the world.




You are right. But a non living computer can supported a living self-developing 
life form, unless you postulate that infinitely complex substances are at play 
in the mind.


Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

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