Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:11, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, interesting exchange with Stephen. I have a sideline-question: why do you 'refer-to' and repeatedly invoke into your ways of your advanced thinking the NAME (I did not say: concept) of GOD, a noumenon so many times and many

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-22 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, thanks for the 'vocal' approval of my (logical) position. I could not think of more satisfaction. John M On 2/22/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 21 Feb 2010, at 22:11, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, interesting exchange with Stephen. I have a sideline-question:

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 20 Feb 2010, at 19:52, Stephen P. King wrote: Nature has repeatedly proven herself to be vastly more clever than we can imagine. Quantum coherence is used in photosynthesis by plants to increase the efficiency of photon energy capture by the use of structures

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-21 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, interesting exchange with Stephen. I have a sideline-question: why do you 'refer-to' and repeatedly invoke into your ways of your advanced thinking the NAME (I did not say: concept) of GOD, a noumenon so many times and many occasions mistreated and misused over the millennia - throughout

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 19 Feb 2010, at 19:43, Stephen P. King wrote: Tegmark's argument completely ignores the roles that structure can provide, among other things. You may elaborate. I can make sense of this in quantum topology, but this needs huge magnetic field. I do dream that metallic

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear John, On 19 Feb 2010, at 22:54, John Mikes wrote: I think you (not you alone, it includes the esteemed 'conventional scientific establishment' as well) got it backwards: not to start with my own ignorance about what do we call LIFE, but from the folk-meaning of it on: whatever we

RE: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-20 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Bruno From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:07 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does the plants quantum computations? Hi Stephen, On 19 Feb 2010, at 19:43

RE: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-19 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Bruno, Tegmark's argument completely ignores the roles that structure can provide, among other things. His paper has been the modern equivalent to the infamous papers back in the 20th century that proved that heavier than air flight was impossible. People like him are a net negative

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-19 Thread Dr. John Yates
I note this post of Bruno's with great interest and have not so far found any actual scientific paper, published or otherwise, to the effect that this effect is anything like so-called quantum computing. I have copies of the two papers he referred to and an abstract of the Nature paper. I'm

Re: Does the plants quantum computations?

2010-02-19 Thread L.W. Sterritt
Dr. Yates, This is getting away from the current thread, but I notice on your site a discussion of free will. In a recent article - in Nature I seem to recall - using high resolution functional magnet resonance imaging, the time interval from neural activity to consciousness has been