Re: Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
: Facts vs values On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:33, Roger Clough wrote: I have no conflict being a scientist when I deal with science, and being a Christian when I deal with the Bible. Of course we differ on this. For me science does not exist, only scientific attitude. And I consider

Re: Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-30 Thread Alberto G. Corona
idiots. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-01-27, 06:36:10 *Subject:* Re: Facts vs values On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:33, Roger Clough wrote: I have no conflict being

Re: Re: Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
it down. To say it briefly, I believe that religion is not about man, it's about God. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 06:23:15 Subject: Re: Re: Facts vs values 2013/1/30 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:09, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement. I use the more polite word 'agnosticism' for 'ignorance'. No problem. This conveys the main idea. In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop some faith in a setup

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:33, Roger Clough wrote: I have no conflict being a scientist when I deal with science, and being a Christian when I deal with the Bible. Of course we differ on this. For me science does not exist, only scientific attitude. And I consider that the scientific

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Dear Roger, This is the lutheran view. That´s fine. I love lutherans. but this work as long as you have faith. But once leave the faith, people have no guide in very important things and fall in primitive cults with a modern facade.

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-27 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement. I use the more polite word *'agnosticism'* for *'ignorance'*. In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop some *faith* in a setup explaining *'us',* 'our world', 'whatever happens' (and why not) etc. based on the ever increasing

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-27 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear John, Hear Hear emotions are biases that are imposed on senses, ISTM. On 1/27/2013 12:09 PM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement. I use the more polite word *'agnosticism'* for /'ignorance'/. In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop

Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-27 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I have no conflict being a scientist when I deal with science, and being a Christian when I deal with the Bible. As a Christian how do you deal with the fact that the God of the old testament was such a petty repellent piece of