Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Title: Re: Many Fermis Revisited At 22:47 +0100 13/01/2003, scerir wrote: [George Levy] Here is a (white) hared brained idea on how to build a time machine. You need a very good recording device and a Quantum Suicide (QS) machine.   For a simpler device see: http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/chan

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread scerir
[George Levy] Here is a (white) hared brained idea on how to build a time machine. You need a very good recording device and a Quantum Suicide (QS) machine.   For a simpler device see:http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/chan-evid.html   [Tim May] I am quite strongly persuaded that "many pasts for a

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread George Levy
Tim May wrote If you mean that "many presents" have "many pasts," yes. But the current present only has a limited number of pasts, possibly just one. (The origin of this asymmetry in the lattice of events is related to our being in one present.) I mean one (many?) present has many past

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread Tim May
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 10:47 AM, George Levy wrote: Tim, Hal, Russell Since we have several futures ( and several pasts), time travel is just a particular case of many-world travel. I somewhat agree...and we are not the first to make this point. However, we need to be careful about

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread George Levy
Tim, Hal, Russell Since we have several futures ( and several pasts), time travel is just a particular case of many-world travel. Here is a (white) hared brained idea on how to build a time machine. You need a very good recording device and a Quantum Suicide (QS) machine.         1) You allow

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Russell Standish
Tim May wrote: > > > Imagine what will happen if strong MWI communication happens in our > universe, our branch: > > -- presumably access to all of the manifold knowledge from every > universe which has done science, engineering, etc. > > -- vast amounts of technology (as some universes are

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: (I'll limit myself to only commenting on the last, and most interesting, point.) This is where I lose your argument. I can't see why an MWI communication capable civilisation should be able to spread throughout our universe any fas

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Russell Standish
Tim May wrote: > I made no assumptions of nondifficulty (to use your phrasing). > > This is in fact why I picked the Thogians a few hundred million > light-years from us. Now perhaps you think advanced civilizations are > even rarer than in this example, there have not yet been any > civilizati

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 05:38 PM, Russell Standish wrote: The key assumption here is whether advanced technological civilisation (such as ourselves) is easy or difficult on the timescale of the age of the universe (10^10 years). Assuming that this is difficult (contra to your comments b

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Hal Finney
Michael Clive Price wrote and widely distributed his "Many-Worlds FAQ" back in the 90s, and he has a couple of questions that touch on this topic: http://www.hedweb.com/everett/everett.htm#linear Is physics linear? Could we ever communicate with the other worlds? http://www.hedweb.com/everett/eve

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-12 Thread Russell Standish
The key assumption here is whether advanced technological civilisation (such as ourselves) is easy or difficult on the timescale of the age of the universe (10^10 years). Assuming that this is difficult (contra to your comments below), solves the standard Fermi paradox (namely other advanced civil