Re: Re: Re: Hating the rich
Hi Craig Weinberg It's tribal thinking on both sides. Still, although it's pointless, I'll throw a spear occcasionally. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-04, 00:08:17 Subject: Re: Re: Hating the rich On Monday, September 3, 2012 8:11:54 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It's OK as far as the left goes to hate the rich. To them, nothing the left does is ever wrong. Is there any ideology in which the members think that what they do is wrong? You can criticize the left about a lot of things, but that it might be blind to its own faults isn't really one of them. If anything, the left is does all of the hand-wringing while the right seems to capitalize on its ability to forget its failures and rationalize the successes of its opponents. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-31, 13:24:34 Subject: Re: Hating the rich On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:46:40 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. Is it? http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-richest-woman-20120830,0,3323996.story Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2YtUpBZTti4J. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/pOSNemvIfnQJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Hating the rich
Hi Richard Ruquist The fundamentalists are wrong in thinking that the Bible is a science textbook. The scientists are wrong in believing that they need to disprove a spiritual, nonscientific message. Let science be science and the Bible be the Bible. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-03, 15:37:31 Subject: Re: Hating the rich Stephan, You seem to agree with me but missed my point. Scientists are willing to adjust their thinking when new information is available. Fundamentalists are not because all the important information is ancient. You may argue correctly that not all scientists are left wing and not all fundamentalists are right wing. You may also argue correctly that important information such as economics is not ancient. But I claim that my broad brush characterizations are more accurate that Roger's. Richard On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 9/3/2012 8:26 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Roger, On the contrare, science is a product of the left, more or less, whereas anti-evolution is a product of the right, more or less. Science is selfcorrecting and so the left is constantly re-examining its conclusions whether in science or sociology. Whereas the right is unable to correct itself because it is based on the bible or some such tradition. So as a result, the right thinks it cannot be wrong because everything they believe is ordained by God. The left has no such limitation, thank god. Richard Dear Richard, As I read your post above I was filled with a large diversity of emotions and ruminated a long time over whether or not to respond to it. I think that you might appreciate a different point of view. I happened to have been raised by a family that was a prototypical Bible Thumper even to the point that my parents where missionaries to a foreign country where I learned via home schooling. I discovered after many years that it is only a very small minority of people that actually live their lives under the belief that everything is ordained by a person-like God. I also discovered, as I have continued my education, that there is another minority that believe that everything is ordained but not by some kind of person but instead by inhuman entities named boundary conditions and initial conditions. What is the real difference other than naming conventions? Could you stop for a moment and think about the idea that nothing at all is ordained and that the concept is a fiction that we have habituated ourselves into believing merely because it gives us a comfortable illusion of control. Humans are strange creatures, if they can't control things themselves they will accept that someone else that is a friend controls things, but get all crazy angry at even the hint that someone else could control things to the disadvantage of the home team. Control freaks, we are such control freaks that we are entirely missing the point of it all. Laws of Nature are merely a concept we invented to explain things to ourselves, no one has the power to control all things. Power is a delusion. I challenge you to write about one example of a real person that is well known as a Leftist that does not believe that everything is ordained by something. You should spend a little time thinking hard about what you are saying here as it is a massive exercise in self-contradiction. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Hating the rich
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7d8fykSPB1qz4sr8o1_500.jpg On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:56:38 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It's tribal thinking on both sides. Still, although it's pointless, I'll throw a spear occcasionally. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net javascript: 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-04, 00:08:17 *Subject:* Re: Re: Hating the rich On Monday, September 3, 2012 8:11:54 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It's OK as far as the left goes to hate the rich. To them, nothing the left does is ever wrong. Is there any ideology in which the members think that what they do is wrong? You can criticize the left about a lot of things, but that it might be blind to its own faults isn't really one of them. If anything, the left is does all of the hand-wringing while the right seems to capitalize on its ability to forget its failures and rationalize the successes of its opponents. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2012-08-31, 13:24:34 *Subject:* Re: Hating the rich On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:46:40 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. Is it? http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-richest-woman-20120830,0,3323996.story Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2YtUpBZTti4J. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/pOSNemvIfnQJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/CT2_PjxBEjoJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Hating the rich
Hi Craig Weinberg It's OK as far as the left goes to hate the rich. To them, nothing the left does is ever wrong. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-31, 13:24:34 Subject: Re: Hating the rich On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:46:40 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. Is it? http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-richest-woman-20120830,0,3323996.story Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2YtUpBZTti4J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Hating the rich
Roger, On the contrare, science is a product of the left, more or less, whereas anti-evolution is a product of the right, more or less. Science is selfcorrecting and so the left is constantly re-examining its conclusions whether in science or sociology. Whereas the right is unable to correct itself because it is based on the bible or some such tradition. So as a result, the right thinks it cannot be wrong because everything they believe is ordained by God. The left has no such limitation, thank god. Richard On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It's OK as far as the left goes to hate the rich. To them, nothing the left does is ever wrong. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-31, 13:24:34 *Subject:* Re: Hating the rich On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:46:40 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. Is it? http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-richest-woman-20120830,0,3323996.story Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2YtUpBZTti4J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Hating the rich
On Monday, September 3, 2012 8:11:54 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It's OK as far as the left goes to hate the rich. To them, nothing the left does is ever wrong. Is there any ideology in which the members think that what they do is wrong? You can criticize the left about a lot of things, but that it might be blind to its own faults isn't really one of them. If anything, the left is does all of the hand-wringing while the right seems to capitalize on its ability to forget its failures and rationalize the successes of its opponents. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript: 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-08-31, 13:24:34 *Subject:* Re: Hating the rich On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:46:40 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. Is it? http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-richest-woman-20120830,0,3323996.story Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2YtUpBZTti4J. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/pOSNemvIfnQJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Hating the rich
Hi Bruno Marchal No, the rich only exist in the upper classes. And only the upper classes in all societies. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/31/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-31, 05:59:49 Subject: Re: Hating the rich On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:45, Roger Clough wrote: Hating the rich is the new racism. No, as rich exists in all classes, and in all societies. Hating the rich is either the very old jealousy, or sometimes the natural hate of bandits when the rich have become rich through lies and stealing, or when they use their fortune to get richer by dishonest means (like with prohibition, whose benefits in mostly reinjected in corrupting government to continue prohibition). Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/31/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
