Hi Richard Ruquist 

The fundamentalists are wrong in thinking that the Bible is a science textbook.
The scientists are wrong in believing that they need to disprove a spiritual, 
nonscientific message.

Let science be science and the Bible be the Bible.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/4/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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From: Richard Ruquist 
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Time: 2012-09-03, 15:37:31
Subject: Re: Hating the rich


Stephan,

You seem to agree with me but missed my point.
Scientists are willing to adjust their thinking when new information
is available.
Fundamentalists are not because all the important information is ancient.
You may argue correctly that not all scientists are left wing
and not all fundamentalists are right wing.
You may also argue correctly that important information
such as economics is not ancient.
But I claim that my broad brush characterizations
are more accurate that Roger's.
Richard

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 9/3/2012 8:26 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>
> Roger,
>
> On the contrare, science is a product of the left, more or less, whereas
> anti-evolution is a product of the right, more or less. Science is
> selfcorrecting and so the left is constantly re-examining its conclusions
> whether in science or sociology.
>
> Whereas the right is unable to correct itself because it is based on the
> bible or some such tradition. So as a result, the right thinks it cannot be
> wrong because everything they believe is ordained by God.
>
> The left has no such limitation, thank god.
> Richard
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> As I read your post above I was filled with a large diversity of
> emotions and ruminated a long time over whether or not to respond to it. I
> think that you might appreciate a different point of view. I happened to
> have been raised by a family that was a prototypical "Bible Thumper" even to
> the point that my parents where missionaries to a foreign country where I
> learned via "home schooling". I discovered after many years that it is only
> a very small minority of people that actually live their lives under the
> belief that "everything is ordained by a person-like God". I also
> discovered, as I have continued my education, that there is another minority
> that believe that "everything is ordained" but not by some kind of person
> but instead by inhuman entities named "boundary conditions" and "initial
> conditions". What is the real difference other than naming conventions?
>
> Could you stop for a moment and think about the idea that nothing at all
> is "ordained" and that the concept is a fiction that we have habituated
> ourselves into believing merely because it gives us a comfortable illusion
> of control. Humans are strange creatures, if they can't control things
> themselves they will accept that someone else that is a friend controls
> things, but get all crazy angry at even the hint that someone else could
> control things to the disadvantage of the home team. Control freaks, we are
> such control freaks that we are entirely missing the point of it all. Laws
> of Nature are merely a concept we invented to explain things to ourselves,
> no one has the power to control all things. Power is a delusion.
>
> I challenge you to write about one example of a real person that is well
> known as a Leftist that does not believe that "everything is ordained" by
> something. You should spend a little time thinking hard about what you are
> saying here as it is a massive exercise in self-contradiction.
>
> --
> Onward!
>
> Stephen
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
>
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