Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms
Hi Stephen P. King It's from http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/com/com_leib.html and was just the first link that came up in Google. Just Google on monad and a whole set of other links will pop up. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 12:59:19 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms Hi Roger, What is this quote from? It is interesting! I don't quite agree with it, as the centers are not all that a monad must include for its definition... On 8/23/2012 10:29 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King " Leibniz propounds a pluralistic metaphysical idealism by reducing the reality of the universe to centres of force, which are all ultimately spiritual in their nature. Every centre of force is a substance, an individual, and is different from other centres of force. Such centres of force, Leibniz calls monads. These forces are unextended, not subject to division in space. None, excepting, of course, God, can destroy these monads, and so they are considered to be immortal in essence. Though quantitatively, the monads a.." Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." -- Onward! Stephen "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms
Millions of times cause it just ain't true. But I do not want to interfere with your religion In string theory monads are definitely things in themselves. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Monads are reference to things, are like bookmarks. > They aren't the things themselves. How many times > do I have tio keep explaining this to you ? > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 8/23/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Richard Ruquist > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-08-23, 11:10:48 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy > withachanceofthunderstorms > > How do you know that? > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Monads are simply a smart bunch of ASCII characters. >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 8/23/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >> everything could function." >> >> - Receiving the following content - >> *From:* Richard Ruquist >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-08-23, 07:05:17 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with >> achanceofthunderstorms >> >> Roger, >> >> Please tell us how you know that. >> >> If you refer back to Leibniz, >> then you are treating >> science like a religion, >> making Liebniz into a prophet >> that must be believed. >> Richard >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >>> Hi Stephen P. King >>> >>> Monads are inextended, so can have no spatial presence. >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 8/23/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>> everything could function." >>> >>> - Receiving the following content - >>> *From:* Stephen P. King >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2012-08-22, 10:58:42 >>> *Subject:* Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a >>> chanceofthunderstorms >>> >>> Dear Roger, >>> >>> You are being inconsistent to the very definition of a monad. They do >>> not have an "outside" that could ever been seen from a point of view and >>> thus to think of them as if they do, such as the concept of a space full of >>> them (which implies mutual displacement) if to think of them as atoms that >>> are exclusively "outside view" defined. Within the Monadology all concepts >>> that imply an "outside view" are strictly defined in terms of appearances >>> from the inside. >>> >>> >>> On 8/22/2012 9:09 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> >>> Roger, >>> >>> Space is not empty. It is full of monads at 10^90/cc. >>> These are the building blocks of space in integration-information theory. >>> Richard >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>>> You need to study the monadology. And the history of modern physics. >>>> Space does not physically exist for L (as for us) because it is >>>> empty, as the Milligan-whatshisname >>>> experiment proved a century ago. The notion of an ether is a fantasy. >>>> It doesn't exist. >>>> Photons just go from A to B through a quantum or mathematical >>>> wavefield, not an actual one. >>>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>>> 8/22/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>>> everything could function." >>>> >>>> - Receiving the following content - >>>> *From:* Richard Ruquist >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>>> *Time:* 2012-08-22, 07:06:07 >>>> *Subject:* Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a >>>> chance ofthunderstorms >>>> >>>> Roger, " monads are by definition nonlocal " does not mean that " space >>>> does not exist". Your logic is faulty. >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: &g
Re: Re: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms
Hi Richard Ruquist Monads are reference to things, are like bookmarks. They aren't the things themselves. How many times do I have tio keep explaining this to you ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 11:10:48 Subject: Re: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms How do you know that? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Monads are simply a smart bunch of ASCII characters. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 07:05:17 Subject: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with achanceofthunderstorms Roger, Please tell us how you know that. If you refer back to Leibniz, then you are treating science like a religion, making Liebniz into a prophet that must be believed. Richard On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Monads are inextended, so can have no spatial presence. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 10:58:42 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a chanceofthunderstorms Dear Roger, You are being inconsistent to the very definition of a monad. They do not have an "outside" that could ever been seen from a point of view and thus to think of them as if they do, such as the concept of a space full of them (which implies mutual displacement) if to think of them as atoms that are exclusively "outside view" defined. Within the Monadology all concepts that imply an "outside view" are strictly defined in terms of appearances from the inside. On 8/22/2012 9:09 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Roger, Space is not empty. It is full of monads at 10^90/cc. These are the building blocks of space in integration-information theory. Richard On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist You need to study the monadology. And the history of modern physics. Space does not physically exist for L (as for us) because it is empty, as the Milligan-whatshisname experiment proved a century ago. The notion of an ether is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. Photons just go from A to B through a quantum or mathematical wavefield, not an actual one. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 07:06:07 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a chance ofthunderstorms Roger, " monads are by definition nonlocal " does not mean that " space does not exist". Your logic is faulty. Richard On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi benjayk In monadic theory,?ince space does not exist, monads are by definition nonlocal, thus all minds in a sense are one and can commune with one another as well as with God (the mind behind the supreme monad). The clarity of intercommunication will of course depend, of course, on the sensitivity of the monads, their intelligence, and how "near" (resonant) their partners are, as well as other factors?uch as whether or not its a clear?onadic weather day. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: benjayk Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-21, 17:24:01 Subject: Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers meekerdb wrote: > > "This sentence cannot be confirmed to be true by a human being." > > The Computer > He might be right in saying that (See my response to Saibal). But it can't confirm it as well (how could it, since we as humans can't confirm it and what he knows about us derives from what we program into it?). So still, it is less capable than a human. -- -- Onward! Stephen "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to every
Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms
Hi Stephen P. King No problem. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 08:26:50 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy withachanceofthunderstorms Hi Roger, Indeed! This corresponds to non-distributive logical lattices.But we still need more details. The best attempt that i have seen on deriving extension was Roger Penrose' spin network idea. On 8/23/2012 8:04 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Some entities (like my mouse) are extended in space, others (like what I am thinking) are not. It isn't either/or, it''s both/and. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/23/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 11:23:08 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with achanceofthunderstorms Dear Roger, A lot of people have a very hard time comprehending abstract ideas, they are stuck thinking of them as physical things. A small minority of people are stuck thinking of concepts as purely mental. It is necessary to consider both of these points of view and be able to understand the difference between them. The best analogy of the relation between them is the inside and outside views of a volume filled with hollow spheres.Waht happens if the spheres are actually Klein Bottles? On 8/22/2012 9:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist I'm getting tired of trying to explain this to you. You have to do more thinking. Monads have no extension. And they have no location nor time. So they are merely theoretical, extensionless, outside of spacetime. You have to have extension to physically exist. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 09:09:31 Subject: Re: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a chanceofthunderstorms Roger, Space is not empty. It is full of monads at 10^90/cc. These are the building blocks of space in integration-information theory. Richard On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist You need to study the monadology. And the history of modern physics. Space does not physically exist for L (as for us) because it is empty, as the Milligan-whatshisname experiment proved a century ago. The notion of an ether is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. Photons just go from A to B through a quantum or mathematical wavefield, not an actual one. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 07:06:07 Subject: Re: NewsFlash: Monadic weather today will be cloudy with a chance ofthunderstorms Roger, " monads are by definition nonlocal " does not mean that " space does not exist". Your logic is faulty. Richard On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi benjayk In monadic theory,?ince space does not exist, monads are by definition nonlocal, thus all minds in a sense are one and can commune with one another as well as with God (the mind behind the supreme monad). The clarity of intercommunication will of course depend, of course, on the sensitivity of the monads, their intelligence, and how "near" (resonant) their partners are, as well as other factors?uch as whether or not its a clear?onadic weather day. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: benjayk Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-21, 17:24:01 Subject: Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers meekerdb wrote: > > "This sentence cannot be confirmed to be true by a human being." > > The Computer > He might be right in saying that (See my response to Saibal). But it can't confirm it as well (how could it, since we as humans can't confirm it and what he knows about us derives from what we program into it?). So still, it is less capable than a human. -- V -- Onward! Stephen "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
