Re: [Evolution] Extreme difficulty getting Evolution-EWS to work with Office 365 by following Wiki

[Ángel González]

On 2020-04-22 at 08:38 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> Nonetheless, the above is a Wiki page, it can
> be updated by anyone, thus if you can update it with relevant changes,
> then I believe users will appreciate it.

Not exactly. It's a wiki, yes, but I think there is some further
permission needed before being able to edit. I remember, time ago,
trying to improve a page about the build steps, yet not being able to
(came to think about it, I probably still have that on a txt somewhere…
).

I just checked on https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/EWS/OAuth2 and
there's no edit option, there is a “Immutable Page” instead.
Going to https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/EWS/OAuth2?action=edit
states 
> You are not allowed to edit this page.


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS stpped working after Exchange migration from 2013 to 2016

[Ángel González]

On 06-12-2016 Milan Crha wrote:
> > (evolution:21945): camel-ews-provider-WARNING **: Unable to fetch
> > the folder hierarchy: Authentication failed :289
> 
> I recall some oddity since updating samba to 4.5.0 or something
> around.
> It provides ntlm_auth (here at /usr/bin/ntlm_auth), which is used by
> libsoup, which evolution-ews uses to connect to the server. The file
> is
> a helper and the evolution-ews can work also without it. Try to rename
> it, whether anything changes. I would also verify that a correct
> authentication method is setup in the evolution-ews account
> (NTLM/Basic/Kerberos). 


I guess that was the upgrade for fixing the “badlock” vulnerability in
Samba, which changed the authentication code quite a lot.
FWIW, I found that such fix made evolution-ews unable to login with
non-ANSI passwords (which used to be possible when using NTLM
authentication), but I didn't investigate it.
Milan, I guess you won't have a basic cli program with an evolution-ews
stub which simply authenticates against Exchange, would you?

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Re: [Evolution] Signature placed in wrong position

[Ángel González]

Works for me.
Do you have a default signature? Did your message include some dashes?
Can you share a full test email and problematic signature?

Best regards



PS: Please reply to the original mail, you are breaking the thread by
creating a new email and copying the subject.
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Re: [Evolution] html messages converted to plain text?

[Ángel González]

On 2016-07-15 at 13:15 +0200, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> Yes, this is a problem with Exchange. Exchange strips away the html part when 
> using Exhange as an SMTP server and sending to external users. I think
> there is a registry setting that can be changed to fix this but I never 
> bothered to use much time to investigate. I solved it by using my own SMTP
> server when sending emails from my Exchange account...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> BTJ

Sending with Exchange as SMTP server or with EWS?

I did not try using Exchange SMTP, but with EWS send I don't see it
doing such absurd thing (but perhaps there is a switch needed to
configure it…).

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Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: You have been unsubscribed from the evolution-list mailing list]

[Ángel González]

On 2016-07-29 at 15:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> It's tempting to think so, but there are also users with pacbell and
> bellsouth addresses who have similar problems. I note that both of them
> route their mail through prodigy.net, if that means anything.
> 
> poc

Apparently, prodigy.net email service is actually provided by yahoo;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(online_service)#A_public_company


So it is really just yahoo having problems with emails from their own
customers that passed through a mailing list.


I got the hint by the error message given by the prodigy mailserver
when attempting to spoof a yahoo From:
> <<< 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable


I'm quite sure it is related to their DMARC reject policy (perhaps even
marked internally).

It asserts that yahoo.com emails will only ever come from yahoo
servers, and non-complaint emails shall be *rejected*. This makes
complete sense for eg. paypal.com but for a free mail provider like
yahoo imho such policy is broken. Precisely because it completely
breaks mailing lists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC#Mailing_lists


Also, it should be noted that other providers may also be taking that
into account. For instance gmail accepts those DMARC-failing messages,
but they are sent to the Spam folder.

There are a few options in recent mailman versions for handling this,
although none seems specially appealing:
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC


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Re: [Evolution] Fwd: You have been unsubscribed from the evolution-list mailing list]\

[Ángel González]

On 2016-07-27 at 17:13 +0100, Steve T wrote:

> ...should have said... It also seems a bit odd, 
> that when the list gets bounced mails, it sends 
> an EMail to notify the user that they have been 
> unsubscribed - why not first send a message saying 
> there appears to be an problem?  Even odder that the 
> unsubscribed message then gets through, when the other  
> list mails never (in all cases - Ie I was unsubscribed 
> twice - and got both those mails and Jon was unsubbed 
> once and also got his unsubbed notification)
> 

Sometimes the bounce is related to the email contents. Such as
rejecting an email due to an antivirus/antispam match, or because the
From: header points to a domain with a dmarc policy of reject.
Yahoo is quite bad regarding this.

On the other hand, the bounce notification is sent by the list server
itself, and is less likely to generate a content-related error.


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Re: [Evolution] email colours

[Ángel González]

I suspect he simply doesn't have source lines listed in apt config.
Adding a deb-src line per each deb line he has on /etc/apt/sources.list
should fix the issue after he runs apt-get update

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Re: [Evolution] Performance Issues

[Ángel González]

On 2016-05-26 at 19:58 +0800, John Serink wrote:
> Top and xfce's task manager don't show ant strange CPU hogs
> The lag seems like a timeout of some sort.
> I think i'll need to build it with debug enabled to have a look.
> 

Have you sniffing the network (eg. wireshark) and then triggering it?
Just in case something is trying to access the network when it
shouldn't.
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Re: [Evolution] Yet another: The odd behaviour of Gmail accounts

[Ángel González]

On 2016-05-17 at 21:08 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 20:38 +0200, Tom wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >      C. Gmail simply throws away the second one (remember that
> > Gmail is really an interface to a database) though haven't checked
> > this. 
> 
> This has been hypothesised but I can't think of a reliable way to
> test it. Given that the Gmail server side would need to check
> messages for duplicates to detect this, it may not be true.

It *is* checking for duplicates and merging both emails (even though
there may be small differences) when it considers them "similar
enough", see http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/imap-protocol/
2015-July/002535.html for an (implicit) confirmation from a google
employee.


> 
> > *DELETED* 
> >  A. Messages that are deleted from a folder via IMAP (except
> > for
> > those in [Gmail]/Spam or [Gmail]/Trash) only have folder
> > label
> > removed and still exist in [Gmail]/"All Mail". 
> 
> Are you sure? I deleted and expunged a test message using Evo and the
> Gmail web interface removed it from All Mail.
> 
> >  B. Saving deleted messages to [Gmail]/Trash folder causes
> > deleting a message in all folders.
> 
> Not sure I understand what you mean by this.

That it is not showed on any other folder but [Gmail]/Trash, even if
there were several copies not deleted.


This section seems a copied from the official explanation at https://su
pport.google.com/mail/answer/78755?hl=en Would be interesting to note
the parts that are officially documented, too.






> It's worth noting that Gmail's use of labels means that the same
> message may appear in multiple IMAP folders. There is still only one
> copy of the message. Deleting such a message from one folder simply
> removes the corresponding label and doesn't remove the message from
> other folders. A bit like filenames on Unix in fact. Is that what you
> meant by the above comment regarding [Gmail]/Trash?

Actually, I think it does the opposite. If you really delete an
instance of a file (by moving it to the real Trash), then all of its
instances are removed.


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Re: [Evolution] User Interface

[Ángel González]

On 2016-04-14 at 14:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Tom, what do you try to try to accomplish?
> 
> You can list the relevant strings inside the binary dconf relatively
> good sorted by running
> 
>   strings $HOME/.config/dconf/user | grep :#
> 
> but I doubt you can paste it in some way to another user's dconf,
> assumed you want to do something like this.

You only need to copy the org/gnome/evolution/mail/labels key. You may
do so either from dconf-editor, or from command line:

$ dconf read /org/gnome/evolution/mail/labels
['I_mportant:#EF2929', '_Work:#F57900', '_Personal:#4E9A06', '_To Do:#3465A4', 
'_Later:#75507B', 'dsadasdas:#|dsadasdas']


Note that labels are stored in English but translated in the UI to the 
interface language. In the example above “dsadasdas” is a custom label.
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Re: [Evolution] gmail and less secure app's

[Ángel González]

El sáb, 02-04-2016 a las 22:51 +0200, Daniel G escribió:
> Hola!
> 
> To configure a gmail account in Evolution, I had to turn on "Access
> for
> less secure apps" as they say.
> 
> So, as they say, the account "is no longer protected by modern
> security standards." (¿?)
> 
> Is it possible to know what are those "modern security standards" not
> available in Evolution?
> 
> What do I have to do to reach "similar" security levels?
> 
> Thank you all / Muchas gracias
> 
> Daniel G.

Hello Daniel

By enabling what Gmail calls "Access for less secure apps". you are
allowing access to POP3/IMAP/SMTP with the account password. What they
would prefer is that you use the SASL XOAUTH2 (which is google-
specific, not a standard).
It is described at https://developers.google.com/gmail/xoauth2_protocol

You should be able to connect without this setting if you configure the
account through Gnome Online Accounts (GOA).

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Re: [Evolution] multiple sender addresses per account?

[Ángel González]

Kristian Rink wrote:
> Hi there;
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2016, 16:41 +0100 schrieb Andre Klapper:
> > 
> > See
> > https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-composer-from-fi
> > el
> > d-override.html
> Thanks for pointing me there; this at least helps doing what needs to
> be done here. Is there any way to keep such alternatives persistently
> stored? I do have a set of "aliases" that I frequently use...
> 
> Cheers,
> Kristian

You could set a per-folder override.
Personally, I use a sendmail script that corrects the address depending
on the recipient, but that's quirky since evolution stores a duplicate
with the "bad" address (the script also inserts the final one). Alas,
evolution doesn't (yet) support that a script modifies the email
message before it is sent (bug 728287).
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Re: [Evolution] trouble using Evolution with Exchange

[Ángel González]

Garrett Mitchener wrote:
> 
> > Authorization: NTLM XXX...
> 
> Is it safe to post that information? As in, is there anything in the
> log that could reveal a password or some other secret?
> 
> And is there anything else I should trim?

I think that with NTLM it would be (unlike a basic authentication,
where your user and password would be simply in base64). Nevertheless,
I would trim that header.

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Re: [Evolution] Can Evolution threads include received and sent e-mails, like Gmail?

[Ángel González]

Jorge escribió:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Reid Thompson  m> wrote:
> >  no, this means that if you're in INBOX and you reply, then the
> > sent
> > email will be saved in your INBOX.  If you're in INBOX/work, and
> > you
> > reply to an email in INBOX/work, then the reply will be saved in
> > INBOX/work -- hence your replies will be in the same directory as
> > the
> > email you're replying to and in the same thread
> And if I send the original email, and someone replies, then the
> original email will be stored in Sent and the reply will be in the
> Inbox, right? That happened in my test. So it seems that this would
> be a partial solution.  It would solve the problem when *I* reply.

You can configure the account for using the Inbox for storing Sent
mails.

Just be aware of a couple of quirks:
1) It will call it the Sent folder in the title bar

2) The Reply button will act as Reply to all on this folder.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG

[Ángel González]

Tom wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 07.02.2016, 19:57 +0100 schrieb Stig Roar Wangberg:
> > People tell me that they can't open the attachment (my signature
> > comes
> > attached to my mails). I know it's not an Evo problem, but what
> > advice
> > can I give them? 
> 
> First one (too?) simple question: Do they all have your public key ?

Or even PGP or GPG installed…
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution will not download mail any longer

[Ángel González]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 11:07 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 03:27 -0600, Jim Fulner wrote:
> > > After my most recent dist-upgrade it seems that Evolution isn't 
> > > downloading any of my mail.
> > But you aren't telling us which version of Evolution you have.
> > Please
> > *always* mention this in any question to the list. See Help->About.
> 
> 
> You did a "dist-upgrade" - have you tested that you can still contact
> the mail server (POP, IMAP, etc..)?
> 

Additionally, are you connecting through TLS? Does the server use
insecure version/ciphers/certificates?
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution PGP Modifications Creates " .gnupg " Hidden Directory that Prevent Users to Login into their LTSP Clients.

[Ángel González]

Mahmoud Ramadan wrote:
> Hi Dears,
> I'm working on configuring Evolution on ( LTSP - Linux Terminal
> Server Project ) to deliver the application to the LTSP clients and
> everything working properly.
> 
> But i noticed when the user modifies any of the " PGP " settings in
> the " Security " tab , Evolution creates a hidden directory " .gnupg
> " in the user home profile that causes the user NOT to be able to
> login into the client after a client reboot unless I've to delete the
> directory for the user to be able to login.
> 
> So any ideas how to solve this issue permanently will be
> appreciated.I do NOT want Evolution to create the " .gnupg " hidden
> directory that deny user login.

It doesn't make sense that the .gnupg folder (containing the
configuration for gnupg(1), as well as the user keyring) forbids the
user from logging in.

Maybe there's some program run on login (eg. a gpg agent) that does
nothing if there's no .gnupg folder, but turns out to be blocking the
login otherwise?

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Re: [Evolution] Ordering in the Show pop-up menu

[Ángel González]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> (BTW I don't understand the difference between the Important label
> and
> the Important Messages menu item. Also Non-Junk Messages would be
> more
> natural than Messages Not Junk).

One is a label, the other is a flag.

It's an unfortunate coincidence that both are named the same. They are
completely different.


Labels: Important is a label you can set, just like Work and Private.
Messages with a label will have a different color in the thread list.
You can set it from the Label submenu of the contextual one.


Important: This is the "Flagged" property in IMAP. Some emails may
receive it from the user who sent it (Prioritize message). In the
contextual menu it's the «Mark as Important» entry. In the thread list,
you see a red exclamation mark within a circle « !⃝ » at the side (your
theme may modify the icon).


You may also be interested in the recent thread «Issues with labels and
flags»


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Re: [Evolution] Using Evolution with Exchange

[Ángel González]

Michael Wenyon wrote:
> I am on Debian Jessie. Should I be able to use an Exchange server by
> setting it up in Gnome Online Accounts, or do I need to install other
> packages first?

You will need evolution-ews in order to connect using Exchange Web
Services  (you could also connect by IMAP to Exchange).


> If I try installing evolution-ews in Synaptic, it fails, and I get
> the
> following error:
> 
> evolution-ews:
>  Depends: libebook-contacts-1.2-0 but it is not going to be installed
>  Depends: libedata-book-1.2-20 but it is not going to be installed
>   Depends: libevolution (<3.13) but 3.18.2-1 is to be installed
>   Depends: evolution (<3.13) but 3.18.2-1 is to be installed
> 

You have some "misconfiguration" in your apt sources. Debian Jessie has
evolution 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1+b1, which won't conflict with the
evolution-ews you are trying to install. It looks like you added
another source that provides a newer evolution version, but not
an accompaning evolution-ews.

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Re: [Evolution] Issues with labels and flags

[Ángel González]

Mark Foley wrote:
> Milan's point about Thunderbird answers another question (why label
> names are
> the same in Tbird and Evolution).  But here's the thing: When I 'tag'
> something
> to e.g.  "Personal" in Thunderbird (green), it shows up as green in
> Evolution. 
> But when I 'label' something as "Personal" (green) in Evolution, it
> does not
> show in Thunderbird.  'Tagging' in Thunderbird adds tag letters to
> the IMAP
> filename (e.g.  the trailing "b" in cur/1449002747.6406_0.mail:2,Sb).
> 'Labeling' in Evolution does not. 

Is it an IMAP account or a local Maildir? Or are you looking at the
filename at the server filesystem?

It looks like what Dovecot does for locally storing the label (in
addition of using the index):
 http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir#IMAP_keywords

In that case, evolution seems to be doing something "wrong" (or perhaps
not recognising that the server can store them), as Dovecot isn't
picking them (while with thunderbird it does). Can you provide the IMAP
commands sent by evolution?

In order to get evolution log, you can use:
 CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution &>log.txt
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Re: [Evolution] Fwd: Mail in Evolution disappearing - mystery deepens

[Ángel González]

Even easier would be to configure the same account in evolution using
POP, which is what you had been using in the previous evolution
version.
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Re: [Evolution] Need config help on Evolution email client

[Ángel González]

Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-12-02 at 01:24 -0500, Mark Foley wrote:
> > I've just installed Evolution 3.10.4 on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS with
> > Cinnamon
> > desktop. So far I like it, but I'm having some problems.
> 
> As others have said, it appears that 3.10 on Ubuntu 14.04 is broken
> in
> various ways (it's to do with the Ubuntu packaging - 3.10 was fine on
> other systems).  3.10 is also very old now and unsupported.

I disagree. It has some quirks (none Ubuntu-specific AFAIK), but
nothing that makes it unusable (actually you may not even notice them).
I have been using it for a long time without problems.


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Re: [Evolution] How to easily archive imap email

[Ángel González]

POP won't allow him to download the files he has already moved to
server folders, but it's the easiest solution for any future mail he
receives IMHO.
Not everyone needs to access his mail from multiple devices. :-)
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Re: [Evolution] Fwd: Mail in Evolution disappearing - mystery deepens

[Ángel González]

dave boland wrote:
> How do I do that?  I went through all the account properties and
> could not find a way to change to POP without recreating the account,
> which I don’t want to do.  

You need to configure your email as a new evolution account. There's no
way to "reconfigure an IMAP account as POP". You can do so without
removing the earlier account using IMAP, though.


> Also, does Evolution have the ability to leave mail on the server so
> I have access to it remotely?  It used to, but that was a few
> versions ago.

Yes, there's an option «Keep mails on server»


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Re: [Evolution] Bug in Birthday calendar?

[Ángel González]

Rolf Würtz wrote:
> However, if the person is 67 or older, the birthday gets displayed
> the day before at 23:00. 
> 
> Is there any reason behind it, am  I doing something wrong, or is
> it simply a bug?
> 
> Best
> 
> Rolf

Seems timezone related. Either with being born in Summer/Winter time,
or that a timezone-related event happened in 1948 (maybe DST stopped being 
observed?). What's your timezone?

In any case, I consider that making you older is a bug ;-)
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Re: [Evolution] Corrupt Subject(and more) when saved to mbox

[Ángel González]

Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > > The Subject: line has a line feed in it.
> > > 
> > > That's OK - in headers line feeds are allowed, the next line
> > > needs to
> > > be indented and it's treated as a single line *by mail aware
> > > programs*.
> > > Unfortunately dos2unix doesn't know about anything about mail!
> > 
> > Then we really need a a new save target because it is impossible to
> > save a mail as it was written, the mbox target always converts NL
> > to
> > CR+NL
> 
> RFC 2822 that defines MBOX format says that the line delimiter is
> CR/LF
> - so Evo is doing the correct thing.
> 
> But you are right in saying that there should be a save target other
> than MBOX.  It's not really something that has ever bothered me as I
> usually cut and paste from emails rather than saving.

No. MBOX is a local storing format. No rfc defines it (and thus we have
mboxo, mboxrd, mboxcl, mboxcl2…) just like Maildir is not defined.

What rfc 822 series defines is the format of an “email message”
(Internet Message Format).


Joakin wrote:
> Then we really need a a new save target because it is impossible to
> save a mail as it was written, the mbox target always converts NL to
> CR+NL

As a workaround: View source, Select All, Copy, Paste in text editor,
Save

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-ews? message status problem

[Ángel González]

Danila Reznichuk wrote:
> Any changes made by my colleagues, or by me in evolution 3.10 (from
> Ubuntu repositories) don't sync in 3.18.1
> If i move mail to subfolder, it appears there, but don't remove from
> inbox
> 
> It seems like i was wrong about subfolder synchronization, because
> messages don't update too
> 
> The only thing i noticed, that when i read mail in my account in 3.10
> i have about 10 minutes delay before 3.18.1 mark this message unread
> I set check mail option for 2 minutes, but even f5 don't work, it
> just
> show new messages
> 

What are your colleagues using for reading the email? Your last message
remembered me the problem with evolution (3.10 I think) not saving the
status of IMAP messages immediately (you can use the trick of changing
to another folder). So it may not be a problem with 3.18 but with 3.10…


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Re: [Evolution] Bug 749712 - Undo/Redo in composer doesn't work right

[Ángel González]

Dario Lesca wrote:
> 
> > > (NOTE: enable the external editor it's not a valid solution)
> > 
> > Ah. I found this note down here but somehow the reasons why "it's
> not 
> > a valid solution" seem to have gotten lost. :(
> The reason are many, I have set external editor to "gedit", and the
> html format of message is lost. ...  I have try set it to
> "libreoffice"
> and the html format and text indented is lost ... If i open a new
> message, type some text, then open the external editor and close it
> without modify or save it, the format of text into internal editor of
> mail message is change, all line is join into one line ... And many
> other.

The external one is a second-class editor.

Personally, I would find useful that the builtin editor was implemented
as an external editor (ie. the “external editor” interface would be
augmented and the composer would run as a different program).
That would provide a better separation and ease performing some
improvements. By supporting every feature, a better composer could be
prototyped, and even support having multiple composers installed.
However, that would require that all interactions with the main program
(address books, signatures, draft saving…), are done via dbus IPC,
which is probably not how it's currently done.
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Re: [Evolution] evolution 3.10 not sending messages from one of my mail acounts

[Ángel González]

Hola Clara, Milan

I see two things with the ono server:
1. There's a short timeout for the smtp transaction.
2. After providing a bad password with AUTH PLAIN, it (sometimes)
closes the connection with a RST.

It's this connection reset what ends up with the "(null) received" in
the logs and "service not connected" in the UI.


Thus, I think that the problem is that while typing the password, the
timeout expires and the connection is reset. It's wrong for evolution
to treat that as "successfully sent" though, and 3.16.5 correctly
treats it as failing.


I would copy the password in the clipboard and send an email, so that I
can paste it in a very short time. Providing a wrong password ONO
returned an error message and I received a new password prompt (which
then failed in the above way), but it should hopefully work for your
account.



If that still fails, you could take advantage of evolution sendmail
sending interface and configure a forwarder like ssmtp for using your
ono account. Assuming that it works, you could have evolution receiving
mails natively (as that works) and sending mails by handing out the
messages to ssmtp (which would do the hard work).

Best regards
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot read some folders

[Ángel González]

> Restarting doesn't repair the problem.  Is the search criterion 
> stored in some file in ~/.evolution?

Yes. That would be on $HOME/.config/evolution/mail/state.ini in the
latest version. As you talk about 2.32.3 and a ~/.evolution folder, you
may need to adapt the path.

Simply moving away the file it will be created, but it's a ini-like
file, so should be easy to edit to strip out just the block for folder.
I would be interested if you can share the wrong piece that caused that
weird behavior.

Regards
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Re: [Evolution] Backing up Evolution Data

[Ángel González]

Evolution uses different folders for different types of content,
following the XDG Base Specification, which is actually a good thing.

> From this info:
> https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/data-storage.html.en
> I understand want to copy this folder:
> 
> ~/.local/share/evolution
Here is the "general" data -including emails-.


> ~/.config/evolution

Whereas the files here are configuration settings that could be
recreated by the user if needed.


> ~/.cache/evolution

And this is data which can be safely discardewd.


> ~/.config/dconf (*)
> But into ~/.config/dconf are stored all DCONF setting of all other
> application, an in this case I want to copy only Evo settings, not
> the rest.

That's true, although it's a problem of dconf, not something specific
to evolution.

You can export only evolution-related data with: 

dconf  dump /org/gnome/evolution/
dconf  dump /org/gnome/evolution-data-server/


Zan wrote:
> One single .application directory like Firefox uses in .mozilla and
> Thunderbird in .thunderbird is far more manageable and useful.


Actually, Firefox no longer does this. It now uses: 

~/.mozilla/firefox//
~/.cache/mozilla/firefox//


Which is a perfect example of why the XDG spec split the folders in
this way, instead of saying "put everything about the program into
~/.apps/".

It makes no sense to include in a firefox backup hundreds of MB that
are just downloaded web pages and won't be of any use if restored
later. Excluding ~/.cache you can easily exclude from a backup the
unneeded data from all (conformant) programs.






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Re: [Evolution] Recovering evolution 3.16.3 after motherboard crash

[Ángel González]

Also note, if it's your mother broad what crashed, you should be able
to install a new motherbroad / move the hard disk to a different
computer, and you will have your full system working again as if
nothing had occurred.¹


¹ With the exception of using a slightly different drivers for the
integrated components, hopefully not visible to the user…
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Re: [Evolution] [OT] edit keyboard shortcuts

[Ángel González]

Herr Oswald:
 I'd need to edit keyboard shortcuts - happily I found F6 to jump 
 between the 3 sections of the main window, but F6 is not very handy 
 for me, so I need to modify it. 

Thomas Mittelstaedt:
 
 For that f6 key, the property in question is called cycle-child
 -focus,
 but you may ask on some of the gtk mailing lists:
 https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list.

:O I didn't even know evolution supported that. I thought there was no
way to do that (which barred using the application without a mouse).
It has the drawback that there's no visual clue of which is the active 
panel, though. 
(And I agree F6 placement is not the most suitable key for keyboard
browsing)




PS: Thomas, you need to enable canchange-accels before pressing your
desired key when over the menu works.
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Re: [Evolution] Delete quote signs

[Ángel González]

On 29-07-2015 Andrea Vai wrote:
 Hi,
 in evo 3.10.4 it was possible to remove the  characters from a 
 (part of a) message, by selecting some quoted text and clicking on 
 Decrease indent (Ctrl+[). I used to do it very often.
 
 In evo 3.16.0 this is no longer possible, is it a regression or by 
 design?

The composer is considering that there's no indentation to remove, and
doesn't allow you to decrease it (it's very clear in the toolbar
buttons).
It was probably modified when changing to a webkit composer. I don't
think it was on purpose, but it's also possible nobody noticed that it
was a feature, either. :)

As you miss the ability of unquoting selected blocks, I recommend you
to fill a bug in gnome bugzilla.

(meanwhile, you can still individually remove the  line by line with
the backspace)
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Re: [Evolution] Smileys from Outlook?

[Ángel González]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 12:16 +0200, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
  Ok, installed the font but I still see the J instead of a smiley...
  Anything else I need to do? (I can see the Wingdings font listed 
  when 
  using fc-list so it's there...)
 
 Is it possible to post an example message as an EML/MBOX file
 somewhere?

I received one such email today (sent with MS Outlook 12). 
The relevant excerpt is:

p class=MsoNormalspan style='font-size:11.0pt;font
-family:Wingdings'J/spanspan style='font-size:11.0pt;font
-family:Calibri,sans-serif'o:p/o:p/span/pp
class=3DMsoNormalspan …

As you see, it's a simple J in Wingdings font.
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Re: [Evolution] A note, an appeal

[Ángel González]

El lun, 20-07-2015 a las 05:56 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams escribió:
 On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 09:04 -0700, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
  I'm using Chromixium; the latest version of Evolution is 10.4.x.  
 
 
 10.4.x is not a version of Evolution.
 
  Very old.  No one at Debian (I guess) is keeping this updated, so 
 
 
 My understanding is that Debian follows upstream projects fairly
 closely.

It mostly depends on which Debian release you use. Debian branches the
latest* version at freeze time and then maintains the packages applying
security fixes.

A quick search shows:
stretch and sid: evolution 3.16.3
jessie: evolution 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1
wheezy: evolution 3.4.4-3
squeeze: evolution 3.4.4-3

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=evolution


As you see, there's no match to the alledged 10.4 claim. However, as
Chromixium seems to be based on Ubuntu LTS,¹ it is probably using
evolution 3.10.4 from Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (aka trusty).


¹ http://chromixium.org/about/
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Re: [Evolution] How do I get rid of preformatted

[Ángel González]

Note that you can easily change a paragraph back to normal with Ctrl+0
(also useful are Ctrl+7 preformatted and Ctrl+9 block)
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Re: [Evolution] Saving Email Messages to Disk Automatically

[Ángel González]

Patrick Huguelet wrote:
 Hey,
 
 So I'm having some trouble saving email message to disk. If I move 
 them to the On this Computer folder they appear in the .local 
 folder as text documents but otherwise I cannot access them on disk 
 as far as I can find. I'm trying to construct a process that saves 
 the emails to disk automatically so I can run a program on them at 
 intervals and save the data into a PostgreSQL database. Is there 
 anyway to automatically move the emails from my email address to the 
 computer or a simpler avenue to do what I want?

evolution isn't the best suited tool for that.
If you want to automatically download the contents of a mailbox for
automatically processing them, I would use a program like fetchmail or
mpop (you should configure them to pipe into the script, instead of
using a pre-existing mailbox format like Maildir or mbox).
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Re: [Evolution] OR statement in filter rules condition

[Ángel González]

On Milan Crha wrote:
 Hi,
 not for your version, but the upcoming 3.16.0 has so called Free form 
 expressions where you can combine 'and', 'or' and 'not' subparts. 
 There might be a user manual entry for it, but at least the bug report 
 link:
 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550796#c10

The new syntax looks nice. However, I would change:

a) recips | r   | To or CC headers should match

Why recips? That's not a word. If we want to abbreviate recipient,
either recip or rcpt¹ would do.
I would also add Bcc header to the list of headers that it can match.



b) Add a list tag.




¹ ie. the rfc 821 command presumably used to deliver the message 

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Re: [Evolution] Left-click in text field grabs window to move

[Ángel González]

Emilio Recio wrote:
 It seems to happen on many applications that rely on GTK. Thunderbird
 does it from the tab bar, firefox doesn't do it anymore. It's especially
 annoying in Eclipse (I have an expanded window, go and click on a
 toolbar button, if I miss and click the blank part of the menu bar, it
 picks the window up and un-maximizes it.) I am not sure why firefox
 doesn't do it, but I imagine the point/click/drag is being subclassed
 for other purposes.

Firefox paints its own controls, it doesn't use gtk ones.


Florian, I can't reproduce the behavior you describe. Left-click on the
email composing textarea doesn't move it*. You don't specify your
evolution version, from the other components, I guess that's 3.12.11 ?



* (unless also pressing the Alt key)

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Re: [Evolution] Upgrade Evolution outside of Ubuntu mechanism

[Ángel González]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 I wonder if Docker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software))
 could be a feasible distro-independant way of running Evo. Just a
 thought as I have no direct experience with Docker.
 
 poc

You could certainly run evolution inside a docker container. In the end,
you would be running a different distribution than your main one inside
a chroot, from which evolution would be started.



NB: It is a simplified answer, docker is more powerful than a normal
chroot, you could warp something other than a different distro (but it
would be the easiest way, for a ‘big’ program like evolution), etc.

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Re: [Evolution] Strange line wrapping in 3.15.92+

[Ángel González]

Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
 Here are misc peculiarities I just noticed in lates Evo(don't know if that 
 are in
 earlier releases):
 
 1)
 Hovering over a web link(https://com) in a received msg I can open that 
 link
 in my webrowser but when I hit reply and hovers over the link Evo does not
 recognize the link, it is just text.

Supposing that it's a plain text message, it doesn't seem unreasonable.



 2)
 This mail(in swedish):
 --
  att vi inte behöver släppa detta nu... De kommer ju inte uppgraderas 
 hursom MEN det hade varit bra att:
 
 1. Testa att det kommer att funka den dag det behövs en ny boot/kernel.
 2. Checka in ändringarna så det kommer med i nästa bygge vi vill göra av 
 boot/kernel så det följer med per automatik då.
 -
 Looks like this in View Msg Source:
 -
  att vi inte beh=F6ver sl=E4ppa detta nu... De kommer ju inte u=
 ppgraderas hursom MEN det hade varit bra att:=0A=
 =0A=
 1. Testa att det kommer att funka den dag det beh=F6vs en ny boot/kernel.=
 =0A=
 2. Checka in =E4ndringarna s=E5 det kommer med i n=E4sta bygge vi vill g=F6=
 ra av boot/kernel s=E5 det f=F6ljer med per automatik d=E5.=0A=
 ---
 Why the line breaks/wraps?

To avoid too-long lines.


 Must '\n' be displayed as =0A= ?
The message is in quoted-printable. The =0A represents a \n (just as =E4
is ä ina a iso-8859 variant). The = means this is an artificial line
break, join this with the next line



 Doing reply messes with line breaks:
 -
  ... att vi inte behöver släppa detta nu... De kommer ju inte uppgraderas 
  hursom MEN det hade varit 
  bra att:
  
  1. Testa att det kommer att funka den dag det behövs en ny boot/kernel. 2. 
  Checka in ändringarna så det 
  kommer med i nästa bygge vi vill göra av boot/kernel så det följer med per 
  automatik då.
 
 Extra '\n' before bra att:

Probably because by adding the leading   now the line should break
earlier (actually, there's no *need* to do that, the line could b eup to
998 bytes, but the MUA thinks it's a good idea).


 Notice how '\n' is lost just before 2. Checka...

That looks like a bug.

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Re: [Evolution] Mails moved to another folder by filter also end up in trash folder

[Ángel González]

I am mostly guessing what is going on for you here, but this may be
what's happening:

Not all IMAP servers support the MOVE operation (RFC 6851).
In that case, when moving a message evolution has no alternative than
COPYing the message to the new folder and deleting the old one.
It's possible that your IMAP server implements a Trash folder containing
all messages marked for deletion but not expunged yet.

That would explain why moving a message makes a copy appear on Trash.

IMHO the best solution would be to update the IMAP server to support
MOVE, so that COPY+DELETE isn't needed. Do you happen to know which IMAP
server is it?
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Re: [Evolution] Executing evolution logs the user out

[Ángel González]

(Note you didn't do the same with evolution-data-server…) Try checking
the installed packages with debsums. The fact that it also failed with a
new user points to a corruption affecting the whole system. My guess is
that it is a dbus-related one, and is being triggeres by evolution
because since evolution is a heavy dbus user.
Looking at the system logs about foo received a SIGSEGV/SIGCHLD/etc
signal may help too.

Good luck!



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Re: [Evolution] Message read/un-read problem

[Ángel González]

Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
 Hi,
 
 After reading a mail using the preview window the message is displayed
 as read, i.e. with the colour grey. But after a while (the next
 check for new messages???) the message is displayed again as unread,
 i.e. with the colour black. 
 
 Does anyone recognise this? Is this a known feature a.k.a. bug? Is there
 something I can do about this (very annoying) behaviour?
 
 
 I am using Evolution 3.12.7 on Debian Jessie and my IMAP e-mail server
 is Dovecot. Note: Icedove (Thunderbird) does not exhibit this behaviour,
 so I assume that Dovecot is not to blame).
 
 TIA

Does it happen without user intervention? ie. you leave it selected and
it unreads itself? Or do you perform actions in the middle such as
browsing other folders?

Please run with
 CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution
and check whether evolution is marking it as read on the server (or if
for instance another program marked it as unread).

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.12.7 debian - Maildir directories name corruption

[Ángel González]

Peter Von Kaehne wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I uses Evolution 3.12.7 on Debian testing. This is a problem which bugs me 
 enormously and I have no clue where it comes from:
 
 I have created a Maildir with subfolders.

 Now, I have stopped this on most occasions by doing repeatedly a radical 
 delete and rename of folders and of .cmeta files, but right now I am fighting 
 with one set of Maildirs - the other one is now finally come to rest and 
 works just fine.
 
 To be honest I am entirely clueless what is the background and do not even 
 know where to start looking. I had the same experience on Ubuntu 13.10 and 
 14.04 (and whatever incarnation of Evo they are using) but things came to a 
 rest after one or two culls and renames and I stopped worrying. Now, here 
 in Debian I am still fighting and I also think this should probably be raised 
 on the list.
 
 Also - the Maildir which has come to rest is now displayed in Evolution just 
 like I expect as a tree of nested folders, while the active one is shown as 
 a flat list of folders with the 2E/5Fs in their name.
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 Peter

Hello Peter,

I recently reported the same issue:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2014-September/msg00127.html


While I don't know what makes evolution fail to note that it has already
migrated the folders (I hinted some possibilities at the previous
mail), you can stop it by manually creating the ..maildir++ file at the
maildir root:
 printf maildir++ 1  ..maildir++

Then evolution will notice that the maildir isn't an old version of
evolution maildir and won't start the rename process.


Regards


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Re: [Evolution] IMAP Namespace in 3.10.4

[Ángel González]

Sajan Parikh wrote:
 My Sent, Junk, Trash folders are all being shown as a subfolder of
 Inbox.  In Thunderbird, I was able to set a IMAP Path prefix to INBOX
 and everything became a top level folder as expected.

The server should be returning that the prefix is INBOX, without
requiring the client to manually configure that.

The INBOX prefix is typical of Courier, but it correctly reports that
through the NAMESPACE extension:
http://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html#namespace


Can you run 
 CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution

and look for lines containing NAMESPACE?


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Re: [Evolution] [Bulk] Fast full-text search of e-mails?

[Ángel González]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 
 I doubt there is a MUA that is going to nicely handle full-text search
 of very large mailboxes.  You really need an index to handle that type
 of search - and I am not aware of any MUA which indexes message
 *content* [vs. headers and meta-data].


What about evolution ibex then?
Or thunderbird's gloda [1] (yes, it does include message bodies)


Not that I like them, though. Personally, I prefer to pay the IO/CPU
penalty when performing searches (almost always restricted to an email
subtree) than paying the space one duplicating the account data in a
search index.

But I understand that fulltext indexing everything suits other people's
workflow.


1- https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/rebuilding-global-database

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Re: [Evolution] How to include pre-made custom headers in outgoing mail?

[Ángel González]

Thomas Mittelstaedt wrote:
 Just to understand you correctly: You create a mail with new custom
 header in it, send it off, the header is going through outgoing filter
 to put that ticket-ID header into the message body. Then, somebody
 responds to that mail and you expect that ticket-ID mail header to be
 still in it? You cannot presume that, just like evolution, other mail
 clients may or may not respect custom headers or use the References
 header, as Patrick mentioned.
 I fear you have to bite the bullet somehow to either instruct your
 customers to always include the ticket-Id in their responses or figure
 out a different rule set to bundle/identify the set of mails belonging
 to that ticket, a sort of filtering based on sender, subject, date
 received, etc.

The usual way to do this (ie. what all other ticketing systems do) is to
include the ticket id in the subject. Even though some users might
remove it.
Note that even if you had that magic persistent header -the references
header is a very good bet- some users will create a new email instead of
replying. Have the operator merge the tikets manually and go on,


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Re: [Evolution] MAIL FROM timeout

[Ángel González]

Michelle wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 
 Sending e-mails (and auto flush of the outbox on filtered, forward
 e-mails) are failing sometimes with errors like...
 
 MAIL FROM command failed: TCP connection reset by peer
 
  and timeout reports. It takes a couple of resend attempts before
 e-mails will go.
 
 Any ideas where I can look to adjust timeout settings please?
 
 Michelle.

Looks like a sysadmin problem. I suspect it is checking in dns
blacklists / doing SPF checks, and they are taking a long time. Perhaps
it is consulting an overloaded dns blacklist?

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Re: [Evolution] Broken threading (was: Restoring data to new HDD)

[Ángel González]

Milan Crha wrote:
 Hi,
 evo still knows it, either right-click or the attachment button has 
 the option to reply to the list, but it requests multipart/digest, or 
 simply have each message in a separate attachment. The default 
 option of the mailman is to use multipart/digest, as far as I can 
 tell. If the digest is received as one monolithic text/plain, then 
 there is no way to get message ID for individual messages from it.
 Bye,
 Milan

evolution-list seems to be using plain text digests by default:

 Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?
 Your mail reader may or may not support MIME digests. In general MIME
 digests are preferred, but if you have a problem reading them, select
 plain text digests.
 
Yet Plain is the selected entry.
(value after subscribing a new address using the Receive digests
option in the subscription page)

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Re: [Evolution] Broken threading (was: Restoring data to new HDD)

[Ángel González]

G.W. Haywood wrote:
 One of the responses to my earlier comments was that if the thread is
 broken he would consider ignoring it.  

After you stated that since you failed to see any problem, and thus you
didn't want to fix anything.
It *is* your problem if you express so badly that fail to be understood
(that is, if you expect to communicate with anyone). Not being read is
just a potential consequence of your chaotic replies.

 If someone wants to put some effort into improving the list software
 of course I'll be happy to help in testing it, (…)

That's a good thing.


 That might be rational on some other lists, but since this one is 
 _devoted_ to problems with a mail client, it seems rather stupid.  

Not to alpine. This doesn't mean we will be unwilling to help but, in
addition of not being the most knowledgeable guys about it, you should
allow yourself to be helped.


 It's like my doctor refusing to treat
 me for laryngitis if I can't speak clearly to explain what's wrong.

It's like if you were phoning to the ophthalmologist complaning about
your ankle and calling (replying) to a different office each time.


You are very verbose but fail to explain your context.
*What are  you doing, step-by-step when you reply to a mailing list
digest?*



 One of the posters to the earlier thread was kind enough to write for
 me a little alpine-digest-list-threading-HOWTO.  He talked about using
 'V' to view the message attachment.  

  Unluckily he neglected to test his theory, 

You see, we don't have every MUA installed locally…


 Well, there go those assumptions again. (...) which is all that it was.  
 Pointless noise.

Not his theories. They were properly referenced to people who claimed
it was working for them.

You should what you are doing and how it is failing. Perhaps it's not
doing anything, or it is configured to a different shortcut (eg. launch
Hanoi Towers) or maybe you are using a keyboard whose key V fell off
time ago. How shall we know?


 You see, there are no attachments on the Evolution users' digest list.

This may be the first decent piece of information you gave about this
issue.





 If someone wants to put some effort into improving the list software
 of course I'll be happy to help in testing it, but as I've said before
 I'm on the digest list for good reasons.

That you didn't share. So we can hardly know if we are providing an
appropiate answer.


  Now you've seen one of them.

Perhaps can you explain which is it? I see several options, from not
receiving the attachments you are sent, to forcing the messages to plain
text(which your MUA should be able to do perfectly) or being able to
mock people sending you screenshots ;)



And *please*, reply to the standalone copy of the message, not to the
one embedded in the digest.

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Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD

[Ángel González]

Each of your emails have created a new thread, Ged.

In cronological order:

Your email  pine.lnx.4.64.1410231029110.21...@mail5.jubileegroup.co.uk
contains:
 In-Reply-To: mailman.2173.1414053708.2137.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 References: mailman.2173.1414053708.2137.evolution-l...@gnome.org

but it was a reply to 1414029104.2922.3.ca...@centurylink.net so
should have contained that.

Your email pine.lnx.4.64.1410231418500.21...@mail5.jubileegroup.co.uk
contains:
 In-Reply-To: mailman.15.1414065603.15731.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 References: mailman.15.1414065603.15731.evolution-l...@gnome.org

but it should have 1414059676.3066.1.ca...@centurylink.net
 
Your email pine.lnx.4.64.1410231848060.10...@mail5.jubileegroup.co.uk
contains:
 Message-ID: mailman.2286.1414084776.2137.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 References: mailman.2286.1414084776.2137.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 
but the right value was 1414082895.9984.1.ca...@redhat.com

and your last email
pine.lnx.4.64.1410241303300.12...@mail5.jubileegroup.co.uk contains:
 In-Reply-To: mailman.19.1414152003.17396.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 References: mailman.19.1414152003.17396.evolution-l...@gnome.org
 
but should have 1414101659.12335.14.ca...@bree.home instead.


Older emails from you seem equally broken (I only checked a subset).
Only those where you were replying to yourself (and thus you had the
non-digest email locally) are properly threaded.


Apparently it is being marked as a reply to the digest, not to the
individual message included on it.
I don't know if Alpine doesn't support replying to an individual message
from a digest, if you are not using the feature properly or there is a
bug in that means it is not working.

But it is a real issue for people reading it. I had to use a Subject
filter in order to read this (broken) thread. And this was a really
simple thread, with everything !


 
  On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
   ... the easiest solution is not to use digests, which are a hangover
   from the distant past and provide no benefit nowadays.
  
  I see no problem; equally I see no need for any solution.
  
  I'm the one to decide what benefits I derive from digests, not you.

This is an unneeded arrogant reply.
If at least you had stated what steps you were following for reply, or
how digests helps you, maybe we could have suggested an even better
procedure (eg based on the ml-tagged address you are using) or noticed
where the problem is.
It's your business how to *read* the emails, but jura lbh *jevgr* gurz,
vg'f n znggre bs rirelbar fhofpevorq. Gur rnfr gb ernq gurz pbapreaf
rireobql.



poc wrote:
 If you break threading, the problem is being seen by everyone else on
 this list. It can be fixed in several ways, which one you decide to use
 is up to you.

The simplest for us being to ignore your emails. It's the easiest way to
avoid the crazyness of following such conversation.



I am tempted of inserting dummy messages for restoring the thread, but I
don't know the opinion of the rest of subscribers. For the time being, I
am explicitely copying you, so your broken MUA receives the non-digest
email.



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Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD

[Ángel González]

Ángel wrote:
 Apparently it is being marked as a reply to the digest, not to the
 individual message included on it.
(...)
 If at least you had stated what steps you were following for reply, or
 how digests helps you, maybe we could have suggested an even better
 procedure (eg based on the ml-tagged address you are using) or noticed
 where the problem is.

A quick google search shows that Alpine does support proper digest
threading, and if you use 'v' to view the attacnhment, then 'r' to reply
it should keep the proper headers. [1] There's a mail from 2011 [2]
mentioning that it failed to set the role for him, but may be fixed / a
one-off.

If you are using the above procedure for digest replying, imho you
should report the bug to your Alpine provider.


1- https://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg76602.html
2- http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.re-alpine.devel/156


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Re: [Evolution] TLSv1+ support

[Ángel González]

On Nik Mitev wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am using Evolution v 3.10.4, as distributed with Ubuntu 14.04
 After the recent SSLv3 vulnerabilities I disabled SSLv3 support on my
 dovecot server, leaving TLS1, 1.1 and 1.2
 This broke connectivity and evolution now complains that
 no common encryption algorithms exist.

Are you sure you correctly disabled it?
OpenSSL has a cipher parameter, which also accept protocols as an alias
for all ciphers from that version. Such setting looks like it's the way
to disable SSL3, but what it does is to disable all SSL3 ciphers. TLS1
doesn't add new ciphers, so a change like that ends up disabling TLS1,
too.
Any TLS1 connection to a system with such configuration will end up
failing with a no shared ciphers error.


 ssldump on the server shows that a SSLv3 hello is issued by Evolution.
 Since that is not supported, the connection dies without an attempt to
 use any of the newer protocols.

Which of the version fields are you looking at? You should inside the
Client Hello (bytes 10-11), NOT at the handshake (bytes 4-5).



 Is there a setting for it that I am missing? Can proper TLS support be
 manually compiled in? I would really hate to have to switch mail
 clients.

I would start checking that the server does support TLS1.


Best regards

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Re: [Evolution] PS: Evolution 3.12.7 segmentation fault

[Ángel González]

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Hi,
  
 the last time Evolution was opened and worked, I upgraded:
  
 lxpolkit (0.1.0-3), it was replaced by lxsession (1:0.5.0-1), JFTR 
 lxpolkit isn’t used
 sqlite (3.8.6-1 - 3.8.7-1), seems not to be related
 phonon-qt4 (4.8.0-1 - 4.8.1-1), seems not to be related
  
 Then I closed Evolution and upgraded:
 evolution-data-server (3.12.5-1 - 3.12.7-1)
 evolution (3.12.5-1 - 3.12.7-1)
  
 When I tried to launch Evolution after the upgrade, it didn’t open 
 regarding to a segmentation fault. 
  
 After downgrading:
  
 evolution-data-server (3.12.7-1 - 3.12.5-1)
 evolution (3.12.7-1 - 3.12.5-1)
  
 Evolution still fails with a segmentation fault. 

Are you restarting the system between trials? It is possible that
evolution-data-server wasn't restarted.


Which process is segfaulting? evolution or evolution-data-server?

Run:
 gdb evolution

When it segfaults, use bt command to view the backtrace.

You will need to recompile with debug symbols. Download the PKGBUILD,
set options=(debug !strip) on it, and recompile with makepkg

See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Debug_-_Getting_Traces

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution no longer connects with iCloud IMAP mail

[Ángel González]

Milan Crha wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 13:54 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
   
  I'm not an SSL expert, but is there some manual way of instigating 
  the SSL connection with the server to see what algorithms are being 
  offered?

Pete, you may inspect them looking at a packet capture (eg. wireshark), 
which is what I asked Kevin if he could provide.


 Hi,
 once upon a time, evolution-data-server used NSS/NSPR streams directly 
 and was able to influence what SSL/TLS algorithms are available.
 The 3.12.x uses GLib (GIO) streams, which, I guess, are using 
 something from glib-networking, which is using gnutls, at least on 
 Fedora. Thus the place to look might be either glib-networking or 
 gnutls itself. I'm also not an expect in this area, hopefully someone 
 else is.


Try executing:
$ gnutls-cli imap.mail.me.com -p 993


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution no longer connects with iCloud IMAP mail

[Ángel González]

Kevin Taggart wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am experiencing a recent issue with Evolution and iCloud IMAP mail, in
 which I can no longer connect via the current settings auto-generated by
 Evolution when setting up my iCloud account. 



 I can send email, just not receive it.
Then it's just a problem with the IMAP connection, and SMTP is not
affected 


 I am running Evolution 3.10.4 under Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. All other
 networking features/functions work correctly, as did Evolution until one
 week ago.
 
 If anyone has any ideas, please post them.



 When I try to connect, I get the following error:
 Could not connect to 'imap.mail.me.com:993': Cannot communicate
 securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).

 It is important to note that this is a recent problem, starting only
 last week. Prior to that, I was able to connect just fine using the same
 settings.
 
It's possible that they changed their server cipher preferences, and you
don't longer are able to agree on a common one.
Although it seems very strange.

From ssllabs scan, they appear to support:
 TLS_RSA_WITH_DES_CBC_SHA (0x9)
 WEAK
 56
 TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5 (0x4) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA (0x5) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
 (0x2f) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_128_CBC_SHA
 (0x41) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_SEED_CBC_SHA (0x96) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256
 (0x3c) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
 (0x9c) 
 128
 TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
 (0xa) 
 112
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA
 (0x35) 
 256
 TLS_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA
 (0x84) 
 256
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256
 (0x3d) 
 256
 TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
 (0x9d) 
 256
 TLS_RSA_WITH_DES_CBC_SHA (0x9)
 WEAK
 56
 

which shouldn't be a problem under Ubuntu 14.04.

I'm not sure which crypto engine is used by evolution, but 
If for instance it was using openssl engine, I would expect them to
agree on TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (result given for OpenSSL
1.0.1h)

As it uses libnss, I would expect something between
TLS_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA (0x84) and
TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0x2f).

If you can sniff that connection, we could look at which are being
advertised by your evolution (only the TLS Client Hello is needed,
although a few more packets may be useful too)





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Re: [Evolution] Problem with Evolution email client

[Ángel González]

wpshooter wrote:
 Why is it that on *RARE* occasions that the screen will just FREEZE at the
 following message when attempting to open an email which I have received
 into my inbox in Evolution email client, i.e. the email message is not
 subsequently displayed ?
 
 Retrieving message '1411565539.2642_3246.JRO-Mint17'
 
 I can then close this message and attempt to open the email again and it
 works just fine, this message is displayed but then the email *IS*
 displayed.
 
 Thanks.

I guess by this message is displayed you mean «It shows retrieving
message '1411565539.2642_3246.JRO-Mint17'» (it's confusing when we are
comparing that to showing email messages)

AFAIK this kind of text is always shown before opening an email, but it
usually loads so fast that we don't notice it.

So, the problem is that sometimes your message doesn't load at all but
retrying it takes a little to open but succeeds.

In addition of wondering about the message structure. What kind of
account is it? It seems more likely that this happens with a remote
account than a local one. It's even possible that your previous attempt
helped making the second one succeed.



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[Evolution] evolution failing to generate the ..maildir++ or your folder is now named ._2E_5F2E_5F5F2E_5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F2Efolder

[Ángel González]

evolution seems to be stuck trying to migrate a maildir account on each restart.

I created an account of type «Maildir-format mail directories» 
(I think I did so by pointing it to an existing folder)

Steps:
Create a folder named foo. [it creates a folder named .foo]

Close evolution (just closing the shell is enough)
Reopen
The folder is now named .foo (._2Efoo on disk)
Close. Reopen.
The folder is now named ._2Efoo (._2E_5F2Efoo on disk)

And it goes on, creating things like:
._2E_5F2E_5F5F2E_5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F2Efoo

evolution version is 3.12.5


There are some related console messages, but most seem a consequence of
the bug rather than the cause (as the folder moves, the metadata file is
missing).

The most interesting are:
 Failed to save the maildir version in ?thefolder/..maildir++?.  
(it should have succeeded)

and 
 The overwriting error message was: database or disk is full
(however there's enough space available on this fs)



Running strace -f -eopen,openat,stat,rename,readdir,close evolution (below) it
doesn't even seem to attempt creating ..maildir++

Manually creating the correct ..maildir++ stops this loops (restarts 
if deleted) but that's a manual fix.

Any idea why is evolution failing to generate the ..maildir++ ?

Is it possible that error is NULL?

that would mean that maildir_store_get_folder_info_sync was called with a null 
error:

camel-maildir-store.c:
 1299: if (!g_file_set_contents (meta_path, MAILDIR_CONTENT_VERSION_STR, -1, 
 error)) {
 661: maildir_migrate_hierarchy ((CamelMaildirStore *) store, maildir_version, 
 cancellable, error);
 785: if (scan_dirs (store, flags, TRUE, fi, cancellable, error) == -1)

And in the preamble of g_file_set_contents (at gfileutils.c:1172)
   g_return_val_if_fail (error == NULL || *error == NULL, FALSE);

https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/glib/gfileutils.c?h=glib-2-40#n1172

But this has been there forever:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/glib/gfileutils.c?id=331548d91ce48f4d1b41fb147179c7680394cb5e

So if that's the case the change would need to be on evolution side.

Cheers


Console output:
 
 (evolution:4897): camel-CRITICAL **: network_service_connect_sync:
 assertion 'connectable != NULL' failed
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a
 previous GError or uninitialized memory.
 This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is
 NULL before it's set.
 The overwriting error message was: Could not rename '.': No such file
 or directory
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_file_set_contents: assertion
 'error == NULL || *error == NULL' failed
 
 (evolution:4897): camel-local-provider-WARNING **: Failed to save the
 maildir version in ?thefolder/..maildir++?.
 
 ** (evolution:4897): WARNING **:
 (mail-folder-cache.c:1778):mail_folder_cache_note_store_thread:
 runtime check failed: (async_context-info == NULL)
 
 (evolution:4897): evolution-mail-WARNING **:
 receive_update_got_folderinfo: You must be working online to complete
 this operation
 
 (evolution:4897): evolution-mail-WARNING **:
 receive_update_got_folderinfo: Could not rename folder thefolder/. to
 thefolder/._2E: Device or resource busy
 
 (evolution:4897): camel-CRITICAL **: network_service_connect_sync:
 assertion 'connectable != NULL' failed
 
 (evolution:4897): camel-CRITICAL **: network_service_connect_sync:
 assertion 'connectable != NULL' failed
 
 (evolution:4897): evolution-mail-WARNING **:
 receive_update_got_folderinfo: You must be working online to complete
 this operation
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a
 previous GError or uninitialized memory.
 This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is
 NULL before it's set.
 The overwriting error message was: database or disk is full
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a
 previous GError or uninitialized memory.
 This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is
 NULL before it's set.
 The overwriting error message was: no such table:
 mem.._2E_5F2E_5F5F2E_5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F2Ebar
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a
 previous GError or uninitialized memory.
 This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is
 NULL before it's set.
 The overwriting error message was: database or disk is full
 
 (evolution:4897): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a
 previous GError or uninitialized memory.
 This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is
 NULL before it's set.
 The overwriting error message was: no such table: mem.._2Efoo


**

strace:
 [pid  5275] openat(AT_FDCWD, thefolder/.foo, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|
 O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = 24
 [pid  5275] close(24)   = 0
 [pid  5275]
 rename(thefolder/._2E_5F2E_5F5F2E_5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F5F5F5F2E_5F5F5F5F5F5F5F2Ebar.ibex.index,
  
 

Re: [Evolution] What could be wrong?

[Ángel González]

Donald Sowers escribió:
 But when running one [MUA] and having it and E running at the same
 time (checking for mail and etc. and a host of other options E would
 freeze). 

Still, that shouldn't make evolution freeze. What were you testing with? One 
IMAP account? Which other MUA was being used at that time? Could you reproduce 
it?

Were you from the other MUA doing operations such as moving around/tagging a 
big 
number of messages? That's the only thing I can think of that would slightly 
justify 
evolution (although it's no excuse for freezing).

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Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP

[Ángel González]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 Any distributed system is subject to partial failure, i.e. one part
 stops working or loses communication with another part. If data is in
 the process of being moved between the two parts when that happens, the
 designer has to decide between allowing data to be lost and opening the
 possibility of duplicating it. Systems which aim for reliability
 invariably choose the latter option, because the mess can always be
 cleaned up later. Sometimes the cleanup is automatic (e.g. transactional
 databases, many remote filesystems) and sometimes it's manual (i.e.
 visible to the end user). AFAIK all email systems fall into the latter
 category because a) it's not that big a deal, and b) doing it
 automatically would be complicated and could introduce other errors.
 
 poc

It's not hard to think on an IMAP server where the client is moving the
emails using MOVE, the server is storing the files in maildir and thus
it simply performs a rename() and the underlying filesystem is journaled
(nothing fancy, just ext3 would do) and makes rename(2) atomic even in
case of a server crash.

Sometimes it's not hard to make things that work properly. But then
nobody would notice :)
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.10.4 -- CANNOT MAKE VALID BACKUP FILE

[Ángel González]

Bart wrote:
 Sounds like you are hitting the file size limit for the file system you
 have on your backup device.  Perhaps if you format your backup device to
 ext4 or the like.
 
 Bart

I also suspect this is the problem here. John, is the file still 4.6 GB
when you arrive to the other computer? (or after you copied it to the
USB device)

Try hashing the file locally and check at the other end. Eg. 
sha256sum evolution-backup.tar.gz  evolution-backup.sha256

and at the final computer
sha256sum -c evolution-backup.sha256



PS: It's strange that a 3 TG media didn't came formatted as NTFS.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 110, Issue 6

[Ángel González]

Andre Klapper wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 18:11 -0400, William W. Austin wrote:
  kb language layout:
  port1english
  port2english
  port3english
  port4english--On 2014-09-03 08:00:03, evolution-list-
  requ...@gnome.org wrote:
 
 I have no idea what you specifically replied to, as you just full-quoted
 an entire digest. Please set a proper subject line, please strip
 unneeded quotes, and please reply below the quote that you refer to.
 Please don't make me search or read for 10 minutes in order to provide
 help. Thanks. :)
 
 andre

It doesn't seem related to any message on this list. If I had to guess,
he was asked for the keyboard layout on a different list, and clicked
reply on the wrong digest.

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Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP

[Ángel González]

On Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 22:19 +0200, Ángel González wrote:
  Moreover, that emails can be searched without a warrant in the US
  (where most email companies are) unless you haven't read it and it is
  newer than 180 days.
 
 It's worse than that. In a current case Microsoft is being sued by the
 US to present email messages that are stored in its servers in Ireland:
 
 http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/technology/eu-rebukes-us-over-microsoft-email-in-first-test-of-privacy-1.1850750
 
 poc

Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that case. I was however
thinking in the possibility of a case like that when writing 'email
companies' instead of 'emails'. It's hard to just give the point without
adding a big paragraph explaining for the many ramifications. :)

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Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP

[Ángel González]

Bart wrote:
Why do people still use POP, when IMAP is a more
  complete solution and things like offline-imap and fetchmail exist for
  those who work in an offline environment?
  
 
 They use POP because they do not want their mail residing on someone
 else's computer.
 
 I know it passes through other systems, but I have some messages that
 reside for long periods of time in various email folders for various
 reasons.  And, I feel a lot more secure doing so.
 
 If I lose my phone, or my iPad, or my laptop, I don't need to worry
 about my email accounts.


Moreover, that emails can be searched without a warrant in the US (where
most email companies are) unless you haven't read it and it is newer
than 180 days. [1]

However, I'm not so sure about the case of losing a phone/table/laptop.
If you check your email on those devices, with pop they are locally
downloading a copy, while with IMAP they can just download the
requesting messages on demand (thus protecting messages not read on
them) or even work without a local cache.
It seems like you would need to use a master system that downloads with
POP and deletes from server, with the mobile devices dowloading with POP
but leaving on the server *and* automatically removing its already
downloaded messages (after X days, when removed from server, etc…).

A better solution may be to have the mobile devices using IMAP (for
emails received when you are away) and the master system use POP to
delete them from both the server and IMAP view.

(All of this assuming a pop DELE really performs an email deletion,
instead of some other action, such as some big providers default)


1-http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/18/bill-to-require-warrants-to-search-emails-gains-steam-in-the-house/


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Re: [Evolution] downloads page

[Ángel González]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 I'd disagree, a *user* cannot create their own updated version from
 sources.  A user does not build software; developers do.  If you are
 compiling stuff - you are a developer, albeit possibly a very bad one.


I'm not so sure. The user can be taught to use the ./configure  make
 sudo make install as a black box, just like running apt-get or yum
install.

If you do not change the code (ie. it's not their own updated version
but a compile of the upstream version) I'm not so sure you can be
considered a developer (albeit it's something for power-users ☺).


 
  My current main laptop has 2500 programme packages installed. I would
  think this is fairly norm. For the vast majority (2498 packages to be
  exact) I am not in the slightest interested to have the most bang up
  to date version. For the two remaining ones - I am a contributing
  developer, so I compile them from source.
 
  so you are a developer.  The constant swapping of contexts between
 user and developer is in part what makes this thread senseless.  It is
 moving the mileposts while measuring.
 

 If you build software you are a developer;  do not confuse yourself with
 a user [who has neither the interest nor skills to do such a thing].

The interest will mostly depend on how much they want the new
features/fixes (eg. the webkit composer)
Although they often won't have the needed skills (maybe that can be
fixed by lowering the bar?)


 For a non-trivial application such as Evolution a non-trivial skill set
 is required to build.

That's true. And helpers like jhbuild can make it even harder.




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