RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-10 Thread Mark Jeremy
Plain text is the most basic and standard format that *ANY* email client
can read. Any other platform (Linux, sun, Atari (j/k), etc.) would not
be able to read RTF format and some wont be able to read HTML format.
Have you or your lawyers saw some email messages that had some junk HTML
code within a message so bad that you can't read the message itself. And
there's waayyy to many people have different preference on how to
decorate their email message with HTML to a point it can be quite
annoying for those who receive it. 

So the main point is - plain text is the best email format out there -
barnone.

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In addition to the other objections raised, there are plenty of tricks
that could be done with stylesheets, embedded content, c. that would
substantially mask or change the content of a message after it had been
received by your lawyers. Plain text makes it much harder to insert
small print.

-- 
be - MOS

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 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM
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 Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I 
 think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But

 I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Plain text.
 
 On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format
 to use in 
 Outlook 98.  
 
 Text/HTML or RTF.
 
 Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful.
 
 The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3.
 
 
 
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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Randal, Phil
Plain text.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Phil

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

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 Outlook 98.  
 
 Text/HTML or RTF. 
 
 Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful.
 
 The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Chris Scharff
Plain text.

On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi, 

I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in 
Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 



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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Roger Seielstad
Have you ever read legal briefs? They make plain text look good. 

--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Darrin J. Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM
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 Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
 think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
 I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Plain text.
 
 On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi, 
 
 I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format 
 to use in 
 Outlook 98.  
 
 Text/HTML or RTF. 
 
 Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 
 
 The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 
 
 
 
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Re: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Andy David
I try not to look at anyone else's briefs.

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 Have you ever read legal briefs? They make plain text look good. 
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Darrin J. Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
  
  
  Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
  think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
  I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
  
  
  Plain text.
  
  On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  Hi, 
  
  I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format 
  to use in 
  Outlook 98.  
  
  Text/HTML or RTF. 
  
  Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 
  
  The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 
  
  
  
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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Charles Marriott
It's common law.

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Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
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Plain text.

On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi, 

I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in 
Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 



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Re: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Allison M. Wittstock
An HTML message will take up more space than the same content in plain text 
message.  Also, not every mail client will display the contents correctly (my 
linux mail client shows the HTML code).

Read this:
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml

AW



On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:10 pm, you wrote:
 Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
 think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
 I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?

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 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
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 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.


 Plain text.

 On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Hi,

 I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in
 Outlook 98.

 Text/HTML or RTF.

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Re: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Daniel Chenault
Plain text because any mail client in the world can read it.

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Subject: Opinions on the best message format.


Hi,

I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in
Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful.

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3.

Thanks,
Darrin

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Re: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Chris Scharff
For $200 an hour, I'd be happy to explain it to the bloosuc^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
gentlemen. 

On 1/9/03 11:10, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I 
think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But 
I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why? 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format. 


Plain text. 

On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Hi, 

I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in 
Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 



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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Dupler, Craig
Each had its own purpose, time and place.  Most people that I know, use them
all.  It is common for Exchange Server users with the heavy Outlook client
to set their default to RTF and use the others on an as needed basis.

You do understand that under the hood, this is a silly question.  Body part
3 or RFC defined message text is plain text by definition, and anything else
almost always gets packaged as one of the following: MME, body part 14, or
body part 15.  Systems like Exchange/Outlook disguise that and make RTF look
like regular message text.  Except for this misleading display thing that is
going on, it is really an apples and oranges comparison.



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Subject: Opinions on the best message format.


Hi,

I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use in
Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful.

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3.

Thanks,
Darrin

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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Roger Seielstad
Yeah - you're more of a thong man yourself.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:15 PM
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 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 I try not to look at anyone else's briefs.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Roger Seielstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:15 PM
 Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
  Have you ever read legal briefs? They make plain text look good. 
  
  --
  Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
  Sr. Systems Administrator
  Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
  Atlanta, GA
  
  
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM
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   Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? 
 Personally I
   think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum 
 hassle.  But
   I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
   
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   Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
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   Plain text.
   
   On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
   Hi, 
   
   I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format 
   to use in 
   Outlook 98.  
   
   Text/HTML or RTF. 
   
   Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 
   
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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Walden H. Leverich III
Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF?

1) Not every reader in the world can read html or RTF, but to be fair that's
less and less of a concern.

2) For the same reason the lawyers use plain text on court documents. RTF
and HTML allow you to get too cought up in colors and fonts making the text
harder, not easier, to read.

-Walden


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Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.


Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.


Plain text.

On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi, 

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Outlook 98.  

Text/HTML or RTF. 

Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 

The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 



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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread East, Bill
In addition to the other objections raised, there are plenty of tricks that
could be done with stylesheets, embedded content, c. that would
substantially mask or change the content of a message after it had been
received by your lawyers. Plain text makes it much harder to insert small
print.

-- 
be - MOS

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 Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
 think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But
 I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Plain text.
 
 On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi, 
 
 I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format 
 to use in 
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 Text/HTML or RTF. 
 
 Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful. 
 
 The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3. 
 
 
 
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RE: Opinions on the best message format.

2003-01-09 Thread Ed Crowley
Yeah, like those g0ddamn musical e-mails some people think are so funny.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.


Plain text is the most basic and standard format that *ANY* email client
can read. Any other platform (Linux, sun, Atari (j/k), etc.) would not
be able to read RTF format and some wont be able to read HTML format.
Have you or your lawyers saw some email messages that had some junk HTML
code within a message so bad that you can't read the message itself. And
there's waayyy to many people have different preference on how to
decorate their email message with HTML to a point it can be quite
annoying for those who receive it. 

So the main point is - plain text is the best email format out there -
barnone.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of East, Bill
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.


In addition to the other objections raised, there are plenty of tricks
that could be done with stylesheets, embedded content, c. that would
substantially mask or change the content of a message after it had been
received by your lawyers. Plain text makes it much harder to insert
small print.

-- 
be - MOS

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrin J. Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Can anyone think of arguments against using html or RTF? Personally I
 think that plain text is the way to go because of minimum hassle.  But

 I'm dealing with 200 attorneys that like to ask why?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:07 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Opinions on the best message format.
 
 
 Plain text.
 
 On 1/9/03 10:02, Darrin J. Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I wanted to get the groups opinion on the best message format to use 
 in Outlook 98.
 
 Text/HTML or RTF.
 
 Any pros or cons regarding the types would be most helpful.
 
 The backend is Exchange 2000 with SP3.
 
 
 
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