Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-28 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 27 February 2003 09:34 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 04:32 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. > > > LX > > > > Or me! > > I disagree

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Thursday 27 February 2003 04:32 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. > > LX > > Or me! I disagree. A dual boot system can have real value. For example, I've found that whene

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Damian Gatabria
> > That's strange, I have just the opposite experience. > > Agreeing with you that 7.2 was an exceptionally good release (and can > hardly wait for 9.2 - it's the odd numbers I bet) I found that 8.2 and > higher gave much better performance on low end P166's. > > AFAIK this was mostly due to Xfree

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vahur Lokk wrote on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:00:15AM +0200 : > No. The perfomance is not comparable even then. I write this mail on a > 166Mhz/48MbRAM Compaq Deskpro that was capable of giving me snappy perfomance > running MSO97 and Win95. It runs n

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Thursday 27 February 2003 21:45, logic7 wrote: > I hold mdk7.2 as my personal benchmark for speed > and stability and, IMO, no other version after that can stand up to it. I > have noticed, tho, that this is not limited to just Mandrake. RedHat has > the same problem, each successive version is

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Thursday 27 February 2003 20:40, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > WineX goes a long way to getting us users completely under Linux, and in > the process saving the developers thousands of dollars of development time. > It helps bridge the chasm between the win world and us, giving us even > more opportuni

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 27 February 2003 02:40 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Another thing is gaming. WineX has done invaluable and irreplaceable work > when it comes to bringing Linux into the mainstream gaming world, but there > is still a ways to go. Baldur's Gate 2 is a good example. In order to > network a

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread flacycads
James, Thanks for the info on Linux memory usage- that's really good stuff to know. And I do agree, Mandrake is very good right out of the box- it's definitely the best distro I've used so far, and I find it ridiculous when people talk about Mandrake's "bloated OS." Their kernel is certainly not

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. > LX Or me! -- /\

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
--- tarvid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. But until > > it does go, we've got to work with it and continue to use our collective > > mental talents here to help replace it

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Damian Gatabria
> > One full minute? Are you sure you're not exaggerating a little bit? I > > don't use OO but use Staroffice now and again and it is slow but it > > certainly doesn't take a minute. I haven't timed it yet but I would be > > suprised if it actually took more than 20 to 30 seconds tops. > > > > My

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread tarvid
On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. But until > it does go, we've got to work with it and continue to use our collective > mental talents here to help replace it with (hopefully) Mandrake Linux. As > we grea

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
--- flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:44 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > Saddam Hussein is off topic. Discussions of winblows in conjunction or > > comparison with Linux are not. > > > > LX > > LX, > Point taken. > > I just thought it might not be appropria

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread flacycads
On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:44 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Saddam Hussein is off topic. Discussions of winblows in conjunction or > comparison with Linux are not. > > LX LX, Point taken. I just thought it might not be appropriate to go into a long involved discourse on tweaking windows her

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
--- flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > et, > Win 2k or XP should handle the extra ram OK, while ME or lower won't, and > needs the file edits I mentioned to avoid boot problems. Those dual booting > with Linux can find out more about windows registry hacks and system file > edits by visitin

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread flacycads
et, Win 2k or XP should handle the extra ram OK, while ME or lower won't, and needs the file edits I mentioned to avoid boot problems. Those dual booting with Linux can find out more about windows registry hacks and system file edits by visiting the great axcel216 website for in-depth info, and

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread et
On Thursday 27 February 2003 09:59 am, flacycads wrote: > Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with > winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no > problem with higher versions of windows. > > The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setti

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 Feb 2003 1:50 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:48 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > [...] > > > OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. > > > > Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some th

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread flacycads
Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no problem with higher versions of windows. The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or slightly less, and the Conservati

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Praedor Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:48 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: [...] > OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. > > Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some things for > which Linux is faster, and some things for which Windows is fast

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Greg Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:14 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > it. Boot alone took 27 minutes! (with swap under 2 minutes) Says a lot > about memory management. > > James Any chance you guys could do some snipping in these long threads? Especia

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Damian Gatabria
> > This is like saying that Linux is faster than Windows because Bluefish > loads faster than DreamWeaver. Put OOo on windows and do that > comparison. I am not saying "windows is faster than Linux". I'm saying "MS Office is faster then OpenOffice" and, yes, the Windows version of OO behaves pre

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-27 Thread Vahur Lokk
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:53, you wrote: > As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop > 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest > achievable equivalent. No. The perfomance is not comparable even then. I write this mail on a

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread Damian Gatabria
> > As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop > 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest > achievable equivalent. Civileme, there are few to none occasions in which i can disagree with you or even judge your knowledge... you are s

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread Damian Gatabria
> ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot > with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. > it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the > differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to > decide wh

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread civileme
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:13 pm, flacycads wrote: > If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and > my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux > about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and > compile lean

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread et
I was not speaking about anyone in particular On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:13 pm, flacycads wrote: > If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and > my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux > about 9 months ago. I also only run th

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread flacycads
If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on t

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread et
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? > > Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my > > experience. > > > > It's also pos

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread civileme
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:02 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: > > And don't forget the obvious > > > > Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading > > ALL of OpenOffice. > > Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec box

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread Tibbetts, Ric
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-26 Thread Vahur Lokk
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: > And don't forget the obvious > > Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL > of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely vi

Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?

2003-02-25 Thread civileme
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? > Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my > experience. > > It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs > in ways